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[Circularize/Regularize Tool] A versatile, competitive and well-integrated solution to rearrange selections into Circles/N-sided + other handy options like Maya's Circularize/Modo's Radial Align tool

[Circularize/Regularize Tool] A versatile, competitive and well-integrated solution to rearrange selections into Circles/N-sided + other handy options like Maya's Circularize/Modo's Radial Align tool

 

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Ten years ago, this kind of option would have been considered an optional, of marginal use or a fancy tool that is better tackled by scripts. However, it pretty became basic nowadays and most of the software out there has more than decent built-in solutions for these kinds of tasks. One cannot grasp the utility and versatility of such tools until it starts to use them and realizes how much has missed it all this time. This is useful when, for example, when you want to cut out perfect circles on any surface, when you want to build structures that jut out of existing shapes etc. One can use circularize with other modeling operations to model shapes quickly. For video examples for traditional polygon modeling, it's enough to hint at older or more recent Arrimus 3D tutorials with both Blender and 3ds Max (link1, link2). For Modo here is a quick video from Pixel Fondue (link)

 

Now, that 3ds Max team has come up with some fast and versatile solutions for direct modeling like the Interactive Smart Extrude functionality and the much quicker Working Pivot alignment, a competitive solution to rearrange selections into circular arrays (and N-sided shapes) will only exponentially advance the possibilities of the new workflows introduced with these tools. Lesser need for Boolean operations, lesser need of using cut operations and cleaning work (with traditional Quad modeling this is even more critical), lesser need of creating extra primitives within smart extrude etc. The quick designs made up with Smart Extrude will look less blocky and more interesting much faster. All these tools combined along with a future updated Multi Cut tool (that “slices and dices”) will pretty much make 3ds Max the king of direct, straightforward polygon modeling.

 

There are at least 3 methods to (kind of) rearrange selections into circles in 3ds Max natively. For example, one can use the Spherify Modifier, which is nice because you can also morph, or one can use the Geopoly in the Ribbon Tools. And ofc there is the old Loop Tools Circle Command (from Ribbon). But none of these is convenient enough to use and each of them fails in many cases. Therefore, they are not good alternatives to scripts that already do this conveniently and work in more cases like RapidTools fastEdgeLoopRegularizer (link). Loop Tools Circle Command is buggy, slow and doesn’t work in many cases, at least not without workarounds. For ex, as some of you have already noticed, Loop Tools Circle Command can only circle edges where there's an inset around them.

 

3ds Max doesn’t need 3 unsatisfying ways of doing the same thing, it only needs a fast, versatile, up-to-date, refined, competitive and well-integrated tool. Furthermore, built in solutions for tools that pretty became basic nowadays are always common sense. Autodesk should go beyond fixing and updated it by taking the lead at least on this low-level polygon modeling functionalities and make it super versatile.

 

And ofc, there is The Competition. Maya 2018 (if one can considered it as competition) also received an awesome Circularize Components function (link) with bunch of neat options. It’s ridiculous how polished and versatile is that tool in Maya, a software that isn’t, by any means, focused on modeling. It seems they have thought of everything. Cinema 4D  which used to have a limited amount of modeling tools came with a slew of improvements with S26, one of them being a quite competitive Fit Circle tool with lot of control after the software used to relied on scripts to do that (link). Blender has its default addon LoopTools with a Circle functionality (link) that works surprisingly well. And last but not least, there is the Modo’s Radial Align tool (link) introduced by the milestone 901 update was inspired by a largely used popular script and this is showing because the result is just brilliant. Apart from the obvious circle arrangements, this tool also supports N-sided shapes defined by user which results in triangles, pentagons, hexagons etc. dispositions. It also has a unique option (Rotate) to reconnect the proper edges when the results get twisted (check this video around 0:30 link).

 

This new tool should reside in the Command Panel not in the archaic Ribbon Submenus (as part of the badly integrated Graphite Modeling tools) and by default accessible from Quad Menu (or a future updated modern context menu but that’s another story). Consistent Hotkeys are also needed. Its Options should be added to a 3ds Max Caddy Controls.

 

The most obvious and common-sense place where Autodesk should get the concept and maybe the tech for a new tool in this area is the Circularize Components of Maya. But, it should definitely get the N-sided mode and Rotate reconnect features of Modo or the Influence and Radius from Blender, as well as a couple ones I came up with inspired by other tools (like Randomize, Semicircle mode etc.). When comes to the name of the tool, considering all of these, it can be diffiicult to properly choose one to accurate depic the function of this tool. In essence it rearranges your selections in regular or N-gons or put it differently in radial patterns. Therefore, Radial Regularizer or Radial Align would fit the best, but, for the sake of consistency between Autodesk software, Circularize should also do the work.

 

MODE


Controls the alignment procedure:

  • Circle - adjusts the selected positions to align along a circle specified by the Radius value and the calculated center position.
  • N-Sided - aligns positions along a polygon specified by the Side and Rotate values. If the number of selected positions is less than the number of sides, it interpolates the remaining points between the corner points of the polygon.
  • Semicircle - aligns positions along a semicircle

While rearranging your selections into perfect circles would be the most used mode, triangles are always nice-to-have details in scifi designs and having the ability to define a shape with the number of sides of your choice ofers way more flexibility. This will alleviate the need to use the cut tools and reduce the post cleaning work. In Architecture and furniture design arches or semicircles are even more common shapes so I think this mode can be tackled inside the same tool even if this doesn’t enter in the same field of radial dispositions.

 

3ds Max Circularize Tool (Mode).png

 

TYPES OF SUBOBJECTS

 

The tool should support all subobjects (vertices, edges, polygons). For it to work: 

 

  • For vertices: You must select at least three vertices. The number of selected vertices will determine the shape of the circularized area (i.e., three creates a triangle, four creates a square, five creates a pentagon, etc.). 
  • For edges: Circularize is performed on each closed edge loop. 
  • For polygons: Circularize is performed on each set of polygons that share at least one common edge.

For the other N-sided mode, in Modo, if the number of selected positions is less than the number of sides, the program interpolates the remaining points between the corner points of the polygon.

 

3ds Max Circularize Tool (Subobjects).png

 

TYPES OF SELECTIONS

 

Like it's Maya countepart at least, (and to a certain degree, by what I've been testing so far, in Blender as well) it should work on selections whether being previously insetted or not (unlike the LoopTools>Circle) on single or multiple groups of selections (identical or different in count and size), on multiple groups being planar or not, if they consist in multiple cross-section loops, simultaneously on both internal and external border selections (even if not aligned or different shape or count) etc.

 

3ds Max Circularize Tool (Selections).png

 

TYPES OF SURFACES

 

It should work on Planar or Non Planar surfaces, on Corners areas, with Cross-Section selections, Surfaces with Curvature etc. All this use cases are illustrated below and you can also watch this YouTube video of a comprehensive review of Maya 2018 from 14:32 to 17:48 (link)

 

3ds Max Circularize Tool (Surfaces).png

 

OPTIONS

 

The Tool should provide at least these options found in Maya, Modo and Blender: 

 

  • Radial Offset: Adjusts the initial radius of the circle. If interior components are also selected, then they will scale along with the offset as well. 
  • Twist: Determines how much rotation is applied to the components around the center of the circle.
  • Evenly Distribute: Specifies whether or not circularized vertices are evenly distributed along the circle's circumference. 
  • Relax Interior: Adjusts the spacing between components so that they stay within the circle while remaining evenly spaced. Lower values will enforce the components' original spacing.
  • Rotate Reconnect: Changes which edges get connected if the initial result geometry gets twisted (check this video around 0:30 link)
  • Normal Offset: Adjust Normal Offset to move the circularized components (and interior component, if selected) along the average normal. 

3ds Max Circularize Tool (Options 1).png

 

  • Influence: The force of the tool. Zero percent influence means no changes will be made to the mesh. 100% influence means that the input will be fully transformed into a circle.
  • Radius: This overrides the radius calculated by the tool. Useful if you wish to create several circles of the same size, or if you need more precision.
  • Normal Orientation: Determines which set of components normals (face or edge loops) are averaged to orient the circle. 
  • Random Radial/Normal Offset: Having a Random Range Value for at least Radial and Normal Offset is a quick and handy way to get instant diversity within your groups of selections. Ofc with radial offset this is only needed when the groups themselves have the same count or size because otherwise they already have differences after being circularized.
  • Add Divisions: Adds additional vertices to the current selection, which results in smoother circles. 
  • Supporting Edges: Add supporting edges to the added divisions to avoid n-gons; choose whether to apply them to the inside, outside or both sides of the circle. 

3ds Max Circularize Tool (Options 2).png

 

  • Alignment: Use Alignment to define whether or not the circle conforms to the original object. With Automatic the circularized components are rotated based on the average normal direction of selected components. With Surface they conform to the surface of the original shape using individual vertex normals or the normal average.

3ds Max Circularize Tool (Options-Alignment).png

 

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23 Comments
Br0ken1334
Advocate

Maya 2018 received an awesome Circularize tool with bunch of options. Maybe it's time to update poor Circle tool in 3ds Max too?

There is cool scripts like rapidtools fastEdgeLoopReguralizer, but I hope that built-in solution will be more appropriate.

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yeah its insane how polished and versatile is that tool in Maya. It seems they have thought of everything.
Ehsan.Sarahian
Advocate

After about 3 years or more without any major changes in polygon modeling, Max need some updates in this aection.

electrotoast_old
Community Manager
Status changed to: Future Consideration
 

so Max who is supposed to be the king of subd polygon doesnt have decent circularize tool yet ? Look at some free scripts out there  and see how smooth they work like the Fast edge loop regularizer

cmon lest  do it for Max 2021. Its embarrassing.

Anonymous
Not applicable

there are some good alternatives in max. For example one can use the spherify modifier, which is nice because you can also morph. or one can use the geopoly in the riboon tools. ore one can use loop tools -> circle (from ribbon). so there are at least 3 methods to do it in max natively. what are you missing?

mgmcgill
Enthusiast

@Anonymous , I don't see what you are talking about with those alternatives being "good".  Can you really model using one of the built-in tools you mention the way that Arrimus3D shows here using a script? 

max only needs an up to date refined and competitive circularize tool, not 3 "WAYS". Built in solutions for a tool that pretty became basic nowadays are always common sense. Also this updated tool should be added in the command panel for edit poly not on the archaic ribbon submenus.

I've made a robust, detailed and well-illustrated idea on a similar tool implementation (so that others dont have to...) so might worth voting on this as well.

 

[Circularize Tool] A versatile, competitive and well-integrated solution to rearrange selections int...

Anonymous
Not applicable

Great post!
Very detailed and accurate.

Hope Autodesk takes notice.

hwoRX6FJ
Advocate

Very necessary!

lupu_mihail
Participant

Cool idea to have something like this as default in max. I use a mxs for this.

check this GIF:

 https://imgur.com/vr2qIpo

 

Screenshot_1.jpg

Is that your own script? Does it works better in certain cases than the Maya one? 

Anonymous
Not applicable

@lupu_mihail If that's RappidTools regularizer, you're missing many of the features that @Kranos_Orphydian listed from Maya's circularize tool.

lupu_mihail
Participant

No, is not the RappidTools mxs. It is a little bit more than that.  It is a personal mxs but it will be nice that if dev team will implement something like maya's circularize tool. Vote, vote , vote this! 🙂

I see the Smart Extrude it's getting more and more refined and that Working pivot snap and alignment it's on beta and shows great potential together with the former. This will further direct straightforward modeling even more. Now a versatile Multi cut tool and a Circularize command similar to Mayas will pretty much seal the deal in this department. Let's go Autodesk!

I see the Smart Extrude it's getting more and more refined and that Working pivot snap and alignment it's on beta and shows great potential together with the former. This will further direct straightforward modeling even more. Now a versatile Multi cut tool and a Circularize command similar to Mayas will pretty much seal the deal in this department. Let's go Autodesk!

mgmcgill
Enthusiast

Yes. This is a great Nuts and Bolts suggestion that would bring great quality of life to Max modeling. It already has some serious built-in advantages over Maya with the modifier stack but there are various "little" aspects like this that could be adopted to overcome Maya's few advantages in modeling. This one is a game-changer in Maya and would be in Max too. (And make it better than the rapidTools Loop Regularizer with these suggestions here).

@mgmcgill @lupu_mihail @Anonymous @hwoRX6FJ  Thanks to Autodesk, giving the ability to edit your original Idea post on this board, I greatly updated this idea with better presentation and content. I guess I'm open for other suggestions to include here.

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We use Naver to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Naver. Ads are based on both Naver data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Naver has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Naver to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Naver Privacy Policy
Quantcast
We use Quantcast to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Quantcast. Ads are based on both Quantcast data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Quantcast has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Quantcast to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Quantcast Privacy Policy
Call Tracking
We use Call Tracking to provide customized phone numbers for our campaigns. This gives you faster access to our agents and helps us more accurately evaluate our performance. We may collect data about your behavior on our sites based on the phone number provided. Call Tracking Privacy Policy
Wunderkind
We use Wunderkind to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Wunderkind. Ads are based on both Wunderkind data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Wunderkind has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Wunderkind to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Wunderkind Privacy Policy
ADC Media
We use ADC Media to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by ADC Media. Ads are based on both ADC Media data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that ADC Media has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to ADC Media to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. ADC Media Privacy Policy
AgrantSEM
We use AgrantSEM to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by AgrantSEM. Ads are based on both AgrantSEM data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that AgrantSEM has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to AgrantSEM to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. AgrantSEM Privacy Policy
Bidtellect
We use Bidtellect to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bidtellect. Ads are based on both Bidtellect data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bidtellect has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bidtellect to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bidtellect Privacy Policy
Bing
We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
G2Crowd
We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
NMPI Display
We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
VK
We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
Adobe Target
We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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