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Lineweight for hatch/fill patterns

Lineweight for hatch/fill patterns

Tried to find it it (1)Viz/Graphics Overrides,(2)Additional Settings(Offers a fill pattern window for drafting and model  patterns) and (3)Materials which seemed the logical places to look, but couldn't find it in any of these places. If a setting does exist somewhere to control hatch/fill patterns lineweight please advise.

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charlv
Advocate

Currently the Model Line Weight Pen no1 is hardcoded as the Lineweight for Fill Patterns. Please provide dedicated pen numbers for Fill Patterns so we can assign lineweights to Fill patterns. 

 

 

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lionel.kai
Advisor

Wow - that's a good one! I never noticed this (since we use LW 1 for our patterns anyway). So should this be in the Materials dialog (as separate settings for Surface and Cut Patterns)? V/G Overrides should include Line Weight as an option in the Patterns categories also.

 

At first I was confused because "Line Weight" is a Type Property of Filled Regions. Now I'm realizing that if you set it to anything other than 1, your FRs and Detail Components won't match your live element standards...

lionel.kai
Advisor

What's also odd, is ceilings seem to get LW2, and there's some kind of "fading" applied as the scale changes (how would that affect Filled Regions?):

http://revitcat.blogspot.ca/2016/04/revit-hatching-pattern-line-weights.html

vincent
Contributor

Please implement this basic functionality. Otherwise, it's hard to get what AutoCAD veterans call "good looking drawings".

lionel.kai
Advisor

FYI, I stumbled across an add-in (Egan Project Startup) : https://apps.autodesk.com/RVT/en/Detail/Index?id=1192777149328410101&appLang=en&os=Win64

that lets you "adjust cut and surface pattern line weights for Ceilings, Floors, Roofs and Walls." We use it to auto-open Worksharing Monitor, suppress the local file dialog (with automatic append), an icon to open our start view, and central file name & path parameters.

SeanSpence
Advocate

Agree Agree! 

I am running into this trying to associate a hatch pattern to Foundations. You have to modify LT5 to get that to show up without a really thick line type.

 

The mechanism is really stupid. Why not make it like filled regions and allow the pattern to control itself?

 

OH... and 2016 was when this was put up.... does Autodesk even look at these anymore?

bdoig
Participant

Unfortunately, you cannot control lineweight for hatch patterns. You can only control the pattern and color. No setting for it.

@wr.marshall  Is this what you are looking for? It is in the Type Properties of each Fill pattern. 

 

Fill - LW.PNG

wr.marshall
Advisor

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones Something like that. Took me a while to find that in filled region. Isn't a filled region just a 2D element? This idea I stated will cover items like a brick pattern on a wall, glass pattern on glass(window/door family..), tile pattern on a floor.... I couldn't find anywhere that would let me set a line weight for patterns in these elements.

wr.marshall
Advisor

The most logical place is have the settings in the material as per my ms paint doctored image below.

This would allow you  to have different patterns with different weights if you chose.

If no pattern assign the box will be blank

If solid pattern assigned then box is greyed out

Fill pattern.JPG

@wr.marshall  That makes sense to me!  Thank you for clarifying!

 

-Kimberly

ipselute
Advisor

@wr.marshall 

Is your question similar to this one:  https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture-forum/control-hatch-pattern-line-weights/td-p/7325... ? Maybe we could merge them.

Here is an explanation why all hatches have line weight = 1 : https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-structure-forum/how-to-control-material-hatch-pattern-line-weig... 

 
 
 
wr.marshall
Advisor

@ipselute this was not a question but an idea as there is nowhere to overwrite the line weight of fill pattern unless you use filled region. Leave questions as questions and ideas as ideas. However if not reference ideas in questions, and questions in ideas (guess spelling out for Autodesk) As for line weights maybe for some reason a user wants a particular fill pattern to be thicker than usual

elzohry2007
Collaborator

hatch has the line weight 1
so if you want to change it you change the line weight scale for 1

elzohry2007_0-1618239649673.png


i hope in future line weight has another 1 because alot of catagories use 1

JLHALL-ENG3
Enthusiast

Ribbon > Manage > Settings Panel > Additional Settings Drop Down > Lineweights.  Did you know that Pen LW 1 and 2 are reserved for Surface Hatch Patters and Ceiling Grid Patterns?  It's legacy and likely difficult to change, but highly inconsistent with the rest of Revit.  It's also not discoverable.  Please put Surface hatch Patterns and Ceiling Grid Patterns under the Annotations tab of Object Styles and allow us to set the Pen LW there with all other objects.  I want to use Pen LW 1 for Xtra Fine as the # 1 suggests.  I do not want to start from Pen LW 3.

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JLHALL-ENG3
Enthusiast

Ribbon > manage Tab > Settings Panel > Additional Settings > Line Weights.  Apparently Pen LW 1 is reserved for Surface Hatch Patterns, and Pen LW 2 is reserved for Ceiling Grid Patterns.  It's not discoverable unless you Google search for "Revit recommended lineweights."

jkarben
Advocate

Any place a fill pattern is assigned it would be nice to be able to define the line weight just like it is with a Filled Region. This request could apply to places like Visibility Graphics as well (Model Categories and View Filters). As it is now it appears that VG uses LW 1 for cut patterns and the Object Style's LW for surface patterns. Material appears to use LW1 for both cut and surface.  Inconsistent and not granular as-is.

karolina_kordula
Autodesk

The current Revit functionality does not respect the line thickness in the pattern and does not allow to change the thickness.

 

A needed feature would be the ability to change the line thickness of the pattern to allow for free customization. This option would be helpful when using brick patterns, which would allow you to change the thickness of the grout. 

 

karolina_kordula_0-1637654044823.png

 

With these tools available, many modified patterns based on the PAT file could be created directly from Revit, without the need to modify the PAT file.

 

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wr.marshall
Advisor

@karolina_kordula see following idea: Lineweight for hatch/fill patterns - Autodesk Community

 

If you consider same ask @kimberly_fuhrman-jones to combine. However Part of your idea seems to be spacing in a brick pattern. This can be accomplished by creating the required spacing in a *.pat file.

wr.marshall
Advisor

Just had a thought regarding a brick pattern. Would it not make sense to have a quick pattern designer that you input the length, height and spacing, as a brick pattern is quite a common fill pattern with various sizes all around the world. created a proposal how this might look in the pattern editor using MS-paint. This would only be for a running bond pattern though and not other patterns. (might need a herringbone pattern editor too which is also fairly common)

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones - could this be considered a unique idea if so please split?

Brick Pattern.png

 

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