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Submitted byAnonymouson11-18-201810:26 PM
Status:
Gathering Support
Duplicate Graphic Overrides
It would be great if when using the command "Duplicate View - Duplicate with Detailing" any graphic overrides that are active in the original view copied into the new one or there was an option to do so.
Select the view in the browser, right click and select:
Duplicate with Detailing
This should include linework overrides.
To dupllicate as dependant and convert to independent adds steps to the process - this is so time consuming & simply a workaround which could be solved by implementing my suggestion.
We are looking to be efficient - especially when duplicating 64 apartment floor plans over multiple levels.
However, as there is a very efficent workaround already available for this issue (come on, one more right click!) I would rather like Autodesk to look into issues for which there are no quick solutions available.
Thanks for your submission and votes on this idea! We are evaluating where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision.
I just took the survey, and included this in the comment:
Linework IS detailing, so "Duplicate with Detailing" should ALWAYS duplicate any Linework overrides. HOWEVER, since "Duplicate with Detailing" is also being used as a (partial [1]) workaround to removing Linework overrides [2], you should look into implementing that feature at the same time OR there should be a (temporary) option (to duplicate w/ or w/o Linework) until the feature to remove linework is also implemented.
[1] BTW, the workaround is "partial" because it does NOT give you the same view (any links to it would need to be changed)
BTW, ALL Graphic Overrides should be kept when a view is "Duplicated with Detailing" (not just Linework, but Hidden Elements and Element Overrides also).
@sasha.crottyI would plead to Autodesk to not fulfill this request.
Linework is NOT detailing. Detailing is anything whose workset=the view. Linework and graphic overides are modeled elements that look different. Duplicate with detailing is very clear in what it does, as is duplicate as a dependent.
Now at the risk of making the software more complicated I would support a "duplicate exactly" which would do precisely what @laurenk wants.
I click about 10,000 times a day and any day where I would be theoretically creating 450 new views manually would already be the worst ever so I don't think the two step process causes much of a loss of productivity for most. To be honest Lauren I think there's probably a more efficient system for your task as is, seems crazy that there are element by element overrides in close to 500 views.
@lionel.kaisuggests two other very good suggestions, reveal and reset of linework and element graphic overrides, both would be helpful.
Please keep the functionality of Duplicate w/ Detailing as it is.
Totally agree with Lionel's comments. There needs to be a way to create a dupicate view where object and linework overrides are removed. Or use a temporay view setting to reveal overrides. (See separate idea thread).
Galen, we use linework overrides sparingly- and do not use element overrides.
Linework is used to created a dashed line for a soffit or bulkhead overhead.
We also use it to make a line invisible where two materials do not join as desired. An example would be a wall with paint colour A joining another wall with paint colour B. We see the paint tool as dangerous as it does not change if the wall type is revised. (Refer to idea thread - finishes are not materials).
Fortunately Autodesk seem to be listening to our requests and we hope that they prioritise the above ideas to make the system a better user experience. These are long time requests and I believe many people experience the same frustrations as is noted by the number of kudos in this thread together with many blog articles over the years.
BTW, I've just noticed that view-specific model & datum element overrides ARE kept when you Duplicate with Detailing (but overrides to Detail Components are NOT). Like many things in Revit, behavior is not consistent (or clearly documented within the user interface). So if you REALLY want to duplicate a detail with all annotation elements (but no overrides), you need to use the regular "Duplicate", then manually copy all the elements over.
TIP: If you want to duplicate a "Detail View" with all Linework & Overrides, first change it to a "Section" (to enable "Duplicate as a Dependent").
@Anonymous I sincerely do NOT want to start a semantics-based flame war on the definition of "detailing" , so instead I'll agree to disagree, but I would like to explain why "Duplicate with detailing is [NOT] very clear in what it does":
"Duplicate as a Dependent" is pretty obvious, so we can leave that alone.
However, the other two seem to imply the following:
"Duplicate": make a "clean" copy (as if it was just created with all the same properties)
"Duplicate with Detailing": make an exact copy (WITH all the changes that were made to the view)
In other words, duplicate the view with and without all the "stuff" you added to it after it was cut. However, "Duplicate with Detailing" has instead been coded to mean "Duplicate with Everything except Linework & DC Overrides" (Annotation Symbols, Detail Components, Detail Lines, Text, Dimensions, etc. and exclude SOME other additions/changes to the view. I think it should be renamed to "Duplicate with Added Elements" to make it more clear to the user since it appears to be desired to be kept as is, but a "Duplicate Exactly" option (as you suggested) should also be added (per this wish).
It's not at all obvious to me (and most users, I would think) that if you want to "Duplicate Exactly" that you should first change the "Detail View" into a "Section" (if needed; you're SOL if you want to duplicate a Drafting View exactly), choose the "Duplicate as a Dependent" option, then choose "Convert to independent view", then change the "Section" back into a "Detail View" (if needed).
Have a new view created by 'Duplicate with Detailing" maintain the Linework tool overrides from the original view.
Surprised I couldn't find this Idea on the forum already. Saw a similar idea requesting the linework tool to override globally. I can see reasons for or against that one, but I can't see any reason why a view duplicated with detailing would not want the linework overrides as well. Like the detailing or VG in the new view, they don't need to be forever linked, just start out with the same graphics. The 'Override by Element' graphics are maintained when duplicated with detailing. Just not the Linework tool.
I would also like to see overrides to annotation elements being included. We often color dimensions, tags or text notes red if they need double checking for example. It's a good way to limit the number of types for dimensions, text, etc.
However, when duplicating a view with detailing, the overrides on annotation items are lost.
