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Duplicate Graphic Overrides

It would be great if when using the command "Duplicate View - Duplicate with Detailing" any graphic overrides that are active in the original view copied into the new one or there was an option to do so.

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Advocate
Advocate
Include linework overrides in duplicating views with detail
Enthusiast
Enthusiast

I am not quite sure that I understand your comment (the 'with detail' part).

But, if you like to duplicate a view including lineworks overwrites then just do this.

Duplicate the view as a dependent view first.

Then right click the new dependent view and 'Convert to indipendent view'.

Done.

 

Advocate
Advocate

My suggestion is:

Select the view in the browser, right click and select:

Duplicate with Detailing

This should include linework overrides.

 

To dupllicate as dependant and convert to independent adds steps to the process - this is so time consuming & simply a workaround which could be solved by implementing my suggestion.

 

We are looking to be efficient - especially when duplicating 64 apartment floor plans over multiple levels. 

 

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Fair enough.

However, as there is a very efficent workaround already available for this issue (come on, one more right click!) I would rather like Autodesk to look into issues for which there are no quick solutions available.

Advocate
Advocate

If you duplicate a view with detail it should include all detail.

 

I would like to see Adsk refine the tools so that workarounds arent necessary.

The number of clicks is quite frustrating for the end user. 

 

Dont know about you guys, but if you do the math..

64 duplilcate views over 7 levels = 448 additional clicks - freaking annoying & totally inefficient!

 

 

Community Manager
Community Manager
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Thanks for your submission and votes on this idea!  We are evaluating where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision. 

 

The Factory

Community Manager
Community Manager

To help us evaluate this request further, could I ask you all to answer a very quick (1 question) survey? Feel free to share with friends.

 

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BNL7DKV

 

Thanks,

Sasha

Advisor
Advisor

I just took the survey, and included this in the comment:

 

Linework IS detailing, so "Duplicate with Detailing" should ALWAYS duplicate any Linework overrides. HOWEVER, since "Duplicate with Detailing" is also being used as a (partial [1]) workaround to removing Linework overrides [2], you should look into implementing that feature at the same time OR there should be a (temporary) option (to duplicate w/ or w/o Linework) until the feature to remove linework is also implemented.

 

 

[1] BTW, the workaround is "partial" because it does NOT give you the same view (any links to it would need to be changed)

 

[2] https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/reveal-linework-clear-linework-override/idc-p/6883949

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/reveal-overridden-elements/idi-p/6364095

Advisor
Advisor

BTW, ALL Graphic Overrides should be kept when a view is "Duplicated with Detailing" (not just Linework, but Hidden Elements and Element Overrides also).

Anonymous

@sasha.crottyI would plead to Autodesk to not fulfill this request.

 

Linework is NOT detailing. Detailing is anything whose workset=the view. Linework and graphic overides are modeled elements that look different. Duplicate with detailing is very clear in what it does, as is duplicate as a dependent.

 

Now at the risk of making the software more complicated I would support a "duplicate exactly" which would do precisely what @laurenk wants.

I click about 10,000 times a day and any day where I would be theoretically creating 450 new views manually would already be the worst ever so I don't think the two step process causes much of a loss of productivity for most. To be honest Lauren I think there's probably a more efficient system for your task as is, seems crazy that there are element by element overrides in close to 500 views.

 

@lionel.kaisuggests two other very good suggestions, reveal and reset of linework and element graphic overrides, both would be helpful.

 

Please keep the functionality of Duplicate w/ Detailing as it is.

Advocate
Advocate
Totally agree with Lionel's comments. There needs to be a way to create a dupicate view where object and linework overrides are removed.
Or use a temporay view setting to reveal overrides. (See separate idea thread).

Galen, we use linework overrides sparingly- and do not use element overrides.

Linework is used to created a dashed line for a soffit or bulkhead overhead.

We also use it to make a line invisible where two materials do not join as desired. An example would be a wall with paint colour A joining another wall with paint colour B. We see the paint tool as dangerous as it does not change if the wall type is revised. (Refer to idea thread - finishes are not materials).

Fortunately Autodesk seem to be listening to our requests and we hope that they prioritise the above ideas to make the system a better user experience.
These are long time requests and I believe many people experience the same frustrations as is noted by the number of kudos in this thread together with many blog articles over the years.
Anonymous

duplicate without linework/overides = duplicate with detailing

duplicate with linework/overrides = duplicate as a dependent

 

we seem to agree that a 'duplicate with overrides but not as a dependent' would be a useful 4th view duplication option

 

Advisor
Advisor

BTW, I've just noticed that view-specific model & datum element overrides ARE kept when you Duplicate with Detailing (but overrides to Detail Components are NOT). Like many things in Revit, behavior is not consistent (or clearly documented within the user interface). So if you REALLY want to duplicate a detail with all annotation elements (but no overrides), you need to use the regular "Duplicate", then manually copy all the elements over.

 

TIP: If you want to duplicate a "Detail View" with all Linework & Overrides, first change it to a "Section" (to enable "Duplicate as a Dependent").

 

@Anonymous I sincerely do NOT want to start a semantics-based flame war on the definition of "detailing" Emoticono feliz, so instead I'll agree to disagree, but I would like to explain why "Duplicate with detailing is [NOT] very clear in what it does":

 

"Duplicate as a Dependent" is pretty obvious, so we can leave that alone.

 

However, the other two seem to imply the following:

 

"Duplicate": make a "clean" copy (as if it was just created with all the same properties)

 

"Duplicate with Detailing": make an exact copy (WITH all the changes that were made to the view)

 

In other words, duplicate the view with and without all the "stuff" you added to it after it was cut. However, "Duplicate with Detailing" has instead been coded to mean "Duplicate with Everything except Linework & DC Overrides" (Annotation Symbols, Detail Components, Detail Lines, Text, Dimensions, etc. and exclude SOME other additions/changes to the view. I think it should be renamed to "Duplicate with Added Elements" to make it more clear to the user since it appears to be desired to be kept as is, but a "Duplicate Exactly" option (as you suggested) should also be added (per this wish).

 

It's not at all obvious to me (and most users, I would think) that if you want to "Duplicate Exactly" that you should first change the "Detail View" into a "Section" (if needed; you're SOL if you want to duplicate a Drafting View exactly), choose the "Duplicate as a Dependent" option, then choose "Convert to independent view", then change the "Section" back into a "Detail View" (if needed).

Advisor
Advisor

I also meant to include this link in my previous post ("Hidden model elements and datum ... will remain hidden."):

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2016/EN...

Anonymous

Have a new view created by 'Duplicate with Detailing" maintain the Linework tool overrides from the original view.

 

Surprised I couldn't find this Idea on the forum already. Saw a similar idea requesting the linework tool to override globally. I can see reasons for or against that one, but I can't see any reason why a view duplicated with detailing would not want the linework overrides as well. Like the detailing or VG in the new view, they don't need to be forever linked, just start out with the same graphics. The 'Override by Element' graphics are maintained when duplicated with detailing. Just not the Linework tool.Emoticono triste

Advocate
Advocate

I support this option, but it should be additional to the current setting, when you don't wish to copy the overrides, just the elements.

Advisor
Advisor

I would also like to see overrides to annotation elements being included. We often color dimensions, tags or text notes red if they need double checking for example. It's a good way to limit the number of types for dimensions, text, etc.

 

However, when duplicating a view with detailing, the overrides on annotation items are lost. 

Advocate
Advocate

Yes ! And also when we copy a Section.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

It does happen.

Override a component in a view for example a wall and duplicate that view.

 

In the duplicated view you will see that graphic override.

Advocate
Advocate

Are you sure about that ? Emoticono riéndose a carcajadas

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

I have attached 3 picture's to address the issue.

1) 1 image showing the original view or parent view.

2) 2 image showing the original view or parent view with override graphics in the highlighted area.

3) 3 image showing the duplicate view from the parent view with the same override graphics.view 1.PNGview 1 with override graphics.PNGview 1 duplicate.PNG

Anonymous
kunalwadhera i will admit i don't 100% understand what is going on with you example above however i know for sure any element specific graphic overrides i have applied do not duplicate
Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Element graphic overrides most definitely come along when duplicating view with detailing.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@Anonymous hi, I have attached 3 pictures in which I have shown you the graphic override taking place.

if you see the very first image in the highlighted portion that is a curtain wall, I changed its color in the 2 picture & then I did "DUPLICATE" of the view & the color of the curtain wall in the duplicated view i.e 3 image came along, hence when you duplicate a view you also duplicate graphic override.

 

@ralvarez1976 Hi, no matter if you do 'Duplicate' or 'Duplicate with detailing' in both the options the graphic override appears.

 

If u see in the images I provided that is done with 'Duplicate'.

Anonymous

@kunalwadhera hi. i have done some more tests and it is inconsistent in what does and doesn't duplicate, eg. overrides to detail lines or filled regions do not copy over and revert to their original state. Be much more convenient if anything with an override duplicated as sometimes you do not want to create a whole new linetype or filled region if you simply want to change the for for example of 1 item. That's my opinion anyway

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@Anonymous i got your point now.

Sadly i the lines or filled regions will not be copied you have to either manually select the things you want to copy and paste them into your duplicated view or i prefer selecting everything and from the filter you can select the elements you want and simply copy paste them into your new views.

Anonymous

WORKAROUND ---

Duplicate as a dependent first, then right click and "Convert to independent view"

Linework overrides should be preserved.

Advocate
Advocate

Autodesk.. 

What was the result of your survey 3 years ago?

 

There has been a significant number of votes for this idea.

 

When does Autodesk get around to implementation?

 

Just want an option to duplicate with line work and view overrides.

It can't be that hard?

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In an effort to consolidate threads, we are updating this thread to Gathering Support. We are continuing to evaluate where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision. 

 

We are in the process of improving and consolidating the Revit Ideas. This is by no means a downgrade...simply part of our cleanup efforts. Rest assured that your Idea and feedback is valuable to our teams, and that your Idea will continue to be reviewed. 

 

The Factory

Advisor
Advisor

The workaround suggested by @Anonymous  works well, but only for plans and ceiling plans.  Drafting view, detail views, legends, 3d views,... all don't support dependent copies.

 

 

Advisor
Advisor

Oh and just to be clear:

- overrides on model elements (walls, doors, ...) are currently copied using "duplicate with detailing"

- overrides on annotation elements (dimensions, detail lines, text, filled regions...) are currently not copied using "duplicate with detailing"

 

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

A time consuming phenomenon i run into on every subsequent project is when a view contains element graphic overrides to change line patterns, weights, halftone tags or linework, and when i duplicate the view w/ detailing to reuse it the duplication process does not carry over element graphic overrides within the view. It would be very helpful and save alot of time if Revit would carry over element graphic overrides when duplicating views, rather than reset all elements in the entire view and be required to duplicate the element graphic override effort.

Contributor
Contributor

Make it so (Picard voice).

Contributor
Contributor

If you duplicate the view first "as dependent" and then "convert to independent view", at least your changes made with the Linework tool will carry over.

After a (very) quick test, the element-specific graphic overrides come along aswell (Revit 2020.2.4)

Contributor
Contributor

I had not considered the method of duplicating as dependent then converting to independent view. This workflow does indeed produce the desired effect. While it would be very nice to have a "duplicate with graphic overrides" option, this workflow serves as a solid work-around.

Contributor
Contributor

I too would apreciate a more straight forward way to carry over all the graphic adjustments we need to make, but at least its a workaround with Not too many steps involved, for once...

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

In Electrical we often do schematics in Revit in Drafting Views. For linework there is no need to use overrides because additional line types can be created. However for symbols the only way to change colour is to override in view. This works though it is not ideal. 

However the problem arises when the view needs to be duplicated if a variation of the schematic is required, then all the overrides are lost, and need to be re-done. So to save time it would be great to have a "Duplicate with Detailing with View Overrides" option