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Internal Width Parameter for Cable Ladder in Revit

Internal Width Parameter for Cable Ladder in Revit

When modelling Cable Ladder in Revit, the Width parameter refers to the external width of the ladder. Unlike pipework, there is no Internal Width parameter available.

 

However, in industry standards for cable containment systems—including ladder, tray, and basket—the internal width is the critical dimension, as it defines the cable carrying capacity. The external width is largely irrelevant for engineering and construction purposes.

 

This limitation in Revit causes significant issues in design, coordination, and construction workflows. Since the Width parameter is the only one available for tagging, scheduling, take offs etc, models built using out-of-the-box families often contain a consistent 50mm error (25mm per ladder wall). As a result, LOD 300 design models frequently require substantial rework and re-coordination at the construction stage to avoid clashes, leading to unnecessary effort and cost.

 

This is core functionality that already exists for ductwork and pipework, so there’s no technical reason it shouldn’t be extended to cable containment. The default Width parameter should represent internal width, or at minimum, Revit should expose both internal and external width parameters.

 

Note: I'm aware of the existing workarounds, plugins, and alternative approaches, but all introduce time costs and additional risk. Examples include:

  • Creating a shared parameter for internal width - Only project based, cannot be family based, which must be manually or Dynamo-updated (risk of human error or outdated data)
  • Using manual text parameters (high risk and not recommended).
  • Relying solely on cable tray fittings (not feasible when receiving models from external design teams using default Revit families).
  • Switching to Fabrication MEP containment (our current approach), which requires deleting and remodelling ladders, as Revit does not support conversion from standard to fabrication containment. If you're a design firm then all design teams use the same Fabrication MEP catalog, which is unrealistic.

This is a fundamental issue that affects many users and projects. A native solution within Revit would significantly improve accuracy, reduce risk, and streamline workflows across the industry.

5 Comments
fabiosato
Mentor

Usually, here in Brazil, cable trays width is measured from the inner side of the lateral frame, this lead us to some strange values and we need to create extra parameters to report the appropriate size, since Revit considers only the outer measure.

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xMD7x
Participant

It's the same here in Canada. Cable tray width is determined based on the inside width.
Would be nice if Revit determined width based on inside dimension and if we could also determine rail width (maybe through MEP settings to make it global). 

TomD-Clearwater
Community Visitor

be able to either modify or add parameters to containment systems ladder tray.. ect.

 

currently revit draws containment at the same size as its tagged i.e. 300 ladder is only 300 wide however some manufacturers actually produce 300 ladder that is 344 wide (similar with all sizes).

 

it would be helpful to be able to differentiate between outer width and rung with 

 

kind regards

 

Tom

Scott_D_
Collaborator

We don't use native Tray (ladder) anymore for this reason.

 

Fabrication Items and Tray measure to different width points which mean that the stated Size of the Tray (ladder) is wrong compared to the actual manufacturers part. 

 

This leads to builderswork holes being too low etc. Very bad news.

jimmi.opperud
Contributor

We use outside width and find that generally more important, so don't just change it, but I think having both like a rung/wall width would be nice. 

And if cable trays are being reworked, might as well add an angle option for any non-horizontal mounting.

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