Fire tape built into wall properties

[Michelle_Northington]

It would be great to be able to toggle on and off fire tape automatically built into the walls based on the fire rating.  Similar to how the analytical lines work for structural components.  it could be a subcategory option under walls to control.  I would like to have it as patterns and color-coded if desired (or have it black/white for some views), but I would also like to be able to turn it off if needed.  I would like it to look good in all scales and be able to show the wall in the fine detail as well if desired.  Not sure if the rated walls need to be fine detail, but I would like to see the exterior, CMU, and concrete unrated walls in fine detail while the fire tape is turned on.

[jkidder]

I like this idea, as it could solve one of the issues with showing fire rated enclosures - needing to show the door, but wanting the rating indicator to continue over it at the same width.

[jason.barish]

I agree: 

We have tried every possible way of showing fire ratings we can think of. Each approach leaves something to be desired; with large trade-offs. (no need to list them all here)

What we want is just a traditional fire tape, but which stays attached to the wall. 

Maybe it could be a "Rating" sub assembly in the wall structure which could be filtered, turned on an off in visibility settings (like sweeps). Ideally it could work like a repeating detail component. A repeating symbol, I guess?

[MatthewPeterman6656]

I have seen this request on every wishlist and board Autodesk has provided its users for over 10 years.   This is a fundamental task of an architect to provide for the safety of the occupants of a building.   This seems more important than making the project browser collapsable or a section box easier to use.    Why does this keep getting requested year after year but no significant talk or action has happened from it.

[Anonymous]

 Allow us to build a fire resistance rating as a layer of a wall/floor/door etc to show graphically in plans or sections, and allow us to control its visibility by view template. 

[Anonymous]

In Tennessee, as with many other states, the Fire Marshal requires the documents to show a graphic representation of fire & smoke rating on all drawings of varying scales, phases, and disciplines (floor plans, ceiling plans, sections, enlarged plans and details).The fire & smoke ratings need to appear throughout the documents in every cut plane from the walls, floors, ceilings to the roof of a building. The ratings also need to be shown in a separate wall legend on every sheet. After much discussion within forums and offices, the best way to graphically show these ratings is to incorporate a pattern into the 3D modeled element. This builds the rating into the 3D element so if it is cut in plan/section the rating will show through every document and discipline within the project. This leads to the overarching problem, there is not nearly enough patterns within the software to show the necessary fire and smoke ratings and cut patterns do not show in the “existing phase” at all.

We request an additional pattern category to be developed specifically for fire and smoke ratings. The goal is to be able to apply the pattern to elements such as walls, floors, ceilings and roofs and then when cut they appear through the project; every phase, every discipline. The pattern would have to be transparent to allow material patterns to show and have visibility controls to allow it to be shut off on presentation drawings. The pattern would have to be visible and half toned on existing elements. Color coding allows this to be easily visible, however there needs to be a distinct pattern so the ratings can be identified when printed in black and white and bold enough that it is easily visible on any drawing. The pattern will also need to adjust with scale and show on all detail levels (fine, medium & course).

The patterns that we are required to show are listed below:

Non rated wall – No pattern

30 minute fire partition
1 hour fire partition

1 Hour Fire Barrier
2 Hour Fire Barrier
3 Hour Fire Barrier
4 Hour Fire Barrier

1 Hour Fire Wall
2 Hour Fire Wall
3 Hour Fire Wall
4 Hour Fire Wall

Smoke Partition
Smoke Barrier

 Example of why more pattern are needed

There are many ways suggested to show this, NFPA 170 Chapter 6.3 Symbols for building construction. As suggested here https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/nfpa-partition-fire-rating-symbology-applied-via-view-fil... this just need to be clear and read well at smaller scale. My concern with these patterns is that the text may get lost in the wall material pattern. Some of our overall Life Safety Plans are shown at 1/32” = 1-0”.

Less critical is a matching line type to use on details or drawings where the model elements do not show correctly or just need to be overdrawn. This may be used on wall sections where many of us hide the model elements and overdraw the wall with detail elements. A rating in the model element may over shadow a specific detail we are trying to show.

We would be happy to work with a developer to explain how fire rating are used or answer any other questions they may have.

Related suggestions:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/fire-resistance-rating-of-elements/idi-p/8433531NFPA Rati...

[Anonymous]

We have posted a similar request. 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/fire-tape-built-into-wall-properties/idi-p/6819733

[matt.barnett72U83]

Would love to see this idea implemented. Communicating fire rated walls is important in every commercial building.

[ttoonJ36KF]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[opapple643TL]

Create a Function called Fire Rated with an option to automatically show a rating within that wall on plans. Something like below, customisation would be great.

With rated walls have them be able to cut through only specific layers of an exterior function wall as many codes require that fire rated walls extent to the exterior sheathing of a building like below. I have created this with a cut profile and disallow join but you have to copy the condition to every page and every location this exists.

[vfischer3BM2L]

This would be great, especially if they're center lines. Currently the most effective way to demonstrate hourly rating is to use a super thick hatch with a filter. An option to just turn on center lines for fire ratings and change the dash length would be super useful.

[mfortuneP5258]

(Edit - My post was merged from a separate comment I made and did not realize this idea was already posted.)

I have one suggestion with 2 possible ways to implement it.

#1 the ability within a wall type to add a selected line type that overlays down the middle to identify firewalls. 

taking this idea  step further I would ideally like to see #2

#2 essentially the same thing but a drop down for the FIRE RATING property under IDENTITY DATA in the Type Properties of the wall.  Once you select the desired rating it could automatically add the associated line type.   Would probably be idea of this drop down could be edited under ADDITIONAL SETTINGS. Were you could customize the list of rating, and the associated line types to identify. 

They way we have been addressing this until now has been to great a group for the entire floor with the desired line types that are aligned to the center of the wall.  The issue is if the walls move we then have to edit the group to realign them. 

[Ryan_GormanKT36T]

Gathering support for nearly a decade 😜 

[jgatlinPSHCD]

Sitting at 9 years with a decade around the corner and no solution has been created or resolved, but we have AI.😬

[mtkachuk9HNB7]

I know there are work arounds to create Fire-Resistance lines (Dash-Dot-Dash, etc) to show the continuity of a Fire-Resistance separation such as applying a pattern to the core material. This is a semi-intelligent way to do this but it still runs into visual issues and section connection issues. But it would be nice if revit had a way to essentially associate a Model Line directly with a wall (and continuous grouping of walls) to create a consistant FRR line. 

This would ideally work hand-in-hand with one of my previous posts about better wall priority control, especially at wall connections. Or if automatically creating a FRR line based on wall assemblies is too problematic, perhaps another possibility would be to be able to select a series of walls and apply a 3D annotative line to it . Revit should be smart enough to then give a warning if one (or more) of the selected walls does not meet/match the majority of the other walls Fire-Resistance Rating. This could also be extrapolated into a 3D section where walls, ceilings, floors, roofs, and kitchen sinks are all able to connect together to create a continuous series of surfaces (like a box) where an FRR is applied. 

[trevor.clarkM88RA]

Autodesk this is still vital. The current methods of a dense line hatch workaround look and work terribly, to the point where our teams start using them in schematic design and have to turn them off and use detail lines over the top by DD. This is basic stuff. Literally the foundation of the building code - for a software about documenting buildings this is an astonishing miss that's been going for two decades and counting. Please just LISTEN to your costumer and implement the tools that are NEEDED for once.