pipe end caps/plugs change with size

[Anonymous]

hi,

we have a family (custom) of caps for the plug/end cap of a pipe.  issue is when the pipe changes (ex. 4" to 6"), the family changes to the default.  that is, our family (with attendant info) vanishes and the new cap is the one set in the pipe routing settings (default).  it seems revit treats the new pipe size as a new pipe.  we wish to keep our assigned family to the pipe and not have another magically show up.  causes extra time to sweep the documents looking for accidental swaps.

thanx in advance,

karl

[Anonymous]

hi,

we have a family (custom) of caps for the plug/end cap of a pipe.  issue is when the pipe changes (ex. 4" to 6"), the family changes to the default.  that is, our family (with attendant info) vanishes and the new cap is the one set in the pipe routing settings (default).  it seems revit treats the new pipe size as a new pipe.  we wish to keep our assigned family to the pipe and not have another magically show up.  causes extra time to sweep the documents looking for accidental swaps.

thanx in advance,

karl

[RobDraw]

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@Anonymouswrote:

hi,

we have a family (custom) of caps for the plug/end cap of a pipe.  issue is when the pipe changes (ex. 4" to 6"), the family changes to the default.  that is, our family (with attendant info) vanishes and the new cap is the one set in the pipe routing settings (default).  it seems revit treats the new pipe size as a new pipe.  we wish to keep our assigned family to the pipe and not have another magically show up.  causes extra time to sweep the documents looking for accidental swaps.

thanx in advance,

karl

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What you are describing is how routing preferences work. If you prefer a different cap, make another pipe type with that cap in the routing preferences. Alternatively, you can add another cap to the current type and hope that it sticks. I get mixed results with this approach though.

[RobDraw]

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@Anonymouswrote:

hi,

we have a family (custom) of caps for the plug/end cap of a pipe.  issue is when the pipe changes (ex. 4" to 6"), the family changes to the default.  that is, our family (with attendant info) vanishes and the new cap is the one set in the pipe routing settings (default).  it seems revit treats the new pipe size as a new pipe.  we wish to keep our assigned family to the pipe and not have another magically show up.  causes extra time to sweep the documents looking for accidental swaps.

thanx in advance,

karl

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What you are describing is how routing preferences work. If you prefer a different cap, make another pipe type with that cap in the routing preferences. Alternatively, you can add another cap to the current type and hope that it sticks. I get mixed results with this approach though.

[Anonymous]

thanx, I don't want the extra pipe definition (more makes for more complicated, I prefer KISS approach).

I tried the "other cap" & no, it does not stick.

[Anonymous]

thanx, I don't want the extra pipe definition (more makes for more complicated, I prefer KISS approach).

I tried the "other cap" & no, it does not stick.

[robert.klempau]

Hello @Anonymous,

It looks like there are several endcap families in your project and set in the routing preferences of your Pipe Type to different sizes.

Please check the routing preferences of your Pipe Type.

[robert.klempau]

Hello @Anonymous,

It looks like there are several endcap families in your project and set in the routing preferences of your Pipe Type to different sizes.

Please check the routing preferences of your Pipe Type.

[Anonymous]

thanx, I'm aware of this dialog box & no it's not the solution to my issue.  there is only one cap assigned.  our family has 3 versions (with associated info) & the schedules can distinguish the 3 versions.  but when a pipe size changes, the "assigned" cap in this dialog is placed & not the current assigned family.  (i.e. an unintended swap-out)

[Anonymous]

thanx, I'm aware of this dialog box & no it's not the solution to my issue.  there is only one cap assigned.  our family has 3 versions (with associated info) & the schedules can distinguish the 3 versions.  but when a pipe size changes, the "assigned" cap in this dialog is placed & not the current assigned family.  (i.e. an unintended swap-out)

[robert.klempau]

Hello Karl,

can you send me the family so I can have a look at it?

[robert.klempau]

Hello Karl,

can you send me the family so I can have a look at it?

[rcscarvalho]

Hi @Anonymous,

Does your cap family has types for each size or are the sizes changed by lookup table/formulas?

[rcscarvalho]

Hi @Anonymous,

Does your cap family has types for each size or are the sizes changed by lookup table/formulas?

[Anonymous]

I'm using the ootb "Plug - PVC - Sch 40 - DWV.rfa" & then edited (& renamed) for my needs.  it's not the family.  revit places a new instance when the pipe size changes.  the family does use the lookup table "Plug - PVC - Sch 40 - DWV" so I would say, yes, this could be the source of "new instance".

[Anonymous]

I'm using the ootb "Plug - PVC - Sch 40 - DWV.rfa" & then edited (& renamed) for my needs.  it's not the family.  revit places a new instance when the pipe size changes.  the family does use the lookup table "Plug - PVC - Sch 40 - DWV" so I would say, yes, this could be the source of "new instance".

[RobDraw]

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@Anonymouswrote:

thanx, I don't want the extra pipe definition (more makes for more complicated, I prefer KISS approach).

I tried the "other cap" & no, it does not stick.

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So, you would rather keep going with what is not working than set up a pipe type with the routing preferences that you want to "stick"? It sounds like the second S is the priority rather doing it smartly.

Good luck.

[RobDraw]

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@Anonymouswrote:

thanx, I don't want the extra pipe definition (more makes for more complicated, I prefer KISS approach).

I tried the "other cap" & no, it does not stick.

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So, you would rather keep going with what is not working than set up a pipe type with the routing preferences that you want to "stick"? It sounds like the second S is the priority rather doing it smartly.

Good luck.

[Anonymous]

sorry you feel that way.  we have 12 pipe types & 9 more would be needed for caps/plugs to look nice.

[Anonymous]

sorry you feel that way.  we have 12 pipe types & 9 more would be needed for caps/plugs to look nice.

[RobDraw]

So, you would rather have to change the cap type rather than create a pipe type that suits your needs. Doesn't seem very smart to me. There are different duct types in Revit OOTB just for different routing preferences. This is the way Revit works. Fighting the system is only going to cause problems. KISS and go with the flow. You might be fighting a losing battle.

[RobDraw]

So, you would rather have to change the cap type rather than create a pipe type that suits your needs. Doesn't seem very smart to me. There are different duct types in Revit OOTB just for different routing preferences. This is the way Revit works. Fighting the system is only going to cause problems. KISS and go with the flow. You might be fighting a losing battle.

[debimmanager]

I think what you're needing is this, right?

[debimmanager]

I think what you're needing is this, right?

[RobDraw]

The OP said that it was a cap on a pipe. Your example is showing the desired behavior with a cap on a fitting. Plus, he also said that he was changing the type from what is assigned in the routing preferences and then changing the size. None of which you did.

[RobDraw]

The OP said that it was a cap on a pipe. Your example is showing the desired behavior with a cap on a fitting. Plus, he also said that he was changing the type from what is assigned in the routing preferences and then changing the size. None of which you did.

[Anonymous]

hi, thanx for your video response.  perhaps no one understands my dilemma.  I place a plug/end cap called "my cap #1".

Then I change the pipe size & the cap changes to "Plug - PVC - Sch 40 - DWV" (or whatever is in the system as assigned default.)  My cap has parameters & stuff that now went "poof" in the schedule & I must (manually" find this cap & change it to "my cap #1".  Additionally, your video had a cap on a fitting.  my current situation is a cap at the end of a pipe section (floor cleanout).

[Anonymous]

hi, thanx for your video response.  perhaps no one understands my dilemma.  I place a plug/end cap called "my cap #1".

Then I change the pipe size & the cap changes to "Plug - PVC - Sch 40 - DWV" (or whatever is in the system as assigned default.)  My cap has parameters & stuff that now went "poof" in the schedule & I must (manually" find this cap & change it to "my cap #1".  Additionally, your video had a cap on a fitting.  my current situation is a cap at the end of a pipe section (floor cleanout).

[RobDraw]

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@Anonymouswrote:

perhaps no one understands my dilemma.

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Actually, your OP was quite clear. @debimmanager totally missed the mark.

[RobDraw]

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@Anonymouswrote:

perhaps no one understands my dilemma.

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Actually, your OP was quite clear. @debimmanager totally missed the mark.

[RobDraw]

BTW, this behavior is not unique to routing preferences. For instance, there are a number of ways in which the settings assigned to views can affect the properties of an instance that have had overrides applied to it when changing anything about them. Worksets and phases for instance.

[RobDraw]

BTW, this behavior is not unique to routing preferences. For instance, there are a number of ways in which the settings assigned to views can affect the properties of an instance that have had overrides applied to it when changing anything about them. Worksets and phases for instance.

[Anonymous]

Yes, the hierarchy has given us issues in the past. Just part of the learning curve.

Thanx.

[Anonymous]

Yes, the hierarchy has given us issues in the past. Just part of the learning curve.

Thanx.

[debimmanager]

Guru, sorry for my mistake and have a great day  

[debimmanager]

Guru, sorry for my mistake and have a great day