Sprinklers in RCP

[-Navisworker-]

How come it is so difficult to place a sprinkler in a Reflected ceiling plan. Ceiling Plan view makes the most sense but revit is resistant to it like an unhappy child. What am I missing? 

In what view am I to be placing sprinkler heads?

[-Navisworker-]

How come it is so difficult to place a sprinkler in a Reflected ceiling plan. Ceiling Plan view makes the most sense but revit is resistant to it like an unhappy child. What am I missing? 

In what view am I to be placing sprinkler heads?

[m.voss.alvine]

what are your exact issues?  what type of family are you inserting?  Is it a linked rcp?

[m.voss.alvine]

what are your exact issues?  what type of family are you inserting?  Is it a linked rcp?

[-Navisworker-]

It is a linked RCP. All models are linked. This is strictly a Fire Protection model. I'm inserting default families, we are using it for construction coordination so I need to capture where issues will appear. 

I want to place pendants in the plan view and have them connect to the main pipes as necessary.

[-Navisworker-]

It is a linked RCP. All models are linked. This is strictly a Fire Protection model. I'm inserting default families, we are using it for construction coordination so I need to capture where issues will appear. 

I want to place pendants in the plan view and have them connect to the main pipes as necessary.

[Anonymous]

Without a more detailed description of the problem it's virtually impossible to help.  Are you getting an error message of any kind?  Are your families face based?  What's your view range?  Are you just mapping sprinkler head locations or creating a fully piped system in the model?

[Anonymous]

Without a more detailed description of the problem it's virtually impossible to help.  Are you getting an error message of any kind?  Are your families face based?  What's your view range?  Are you just mapping sprinkler head locations or creating a fully piped system in the model?

[apjones]

If the RCP is linked, you will need a sprinkler head family that is face based.  If it is ceiling based, you will have to create a duplicate ceiling in your file.  I am not sure if the out of the box heads are ceiling based or face based.

[apjones]

If the RCP is linked, you will need a sprinkler head family that is face based.  If it is ceiling based, you will have to create a duplicate ceiling in your file.  I am not sure if the out of the box heads are ceiling based or face based.

[robert.klempau]

Hello @-Navisworker-,

did you select the Place on Face option when placing the sprinkler heads?

[robert.klempau]

Hello @-Navisworker-,

did you select the Place on Face option when placing the sprinkler heads?

[-Navisworker-]

I roughed in the pipe and wanted to drop the sprinkler heads directly onto them in a RCP. I've since found some workarounds. 

I find myself copying a sprinkler head over and over as it is on the right plane. Then I have a section which I move around then trim things up. Its working well.

Seem that since a pipe is round / it may not have a "face" to attach to. Thanks to all that tried to help.

[-Navisworker-]

I roughed in the pipe and wanted to drop the sprinkler heads directly onto them in a RCP. I've since found some workarounds. 

I find myself copying a sprinkler head over and over as it is on the right plane. Then I have a section which I move around then trim things up. Its working well.

Seem that since a pipe is round / it may not have a "face" to attach to. Thanks to all that tried to help.

[Anonymous]

Oh.  Yeah, you can't host a face-based element to a pipe.  What you have to do is host the sprinkler heads to either a ceiling or workplane (if the space has exposed structure), then model the pipe connecting the head to the main pipe run (if it's a pendant).  If it's in the same plane as the pipe, it should probably be a pipe fitting and simply slot right into the pipe.

[Anonymous]

Oh.  Yeah, you can't host a face-based element to a pipe.  What you have to do is host the sprinkler heads to either a ceiling or workplane (if the space has exposed structure), then model the pipe connecting the head to the main pipe run (if it's a pendant).  If it's in the same plane as the pipe, it should probably be a pipe fitting and simply slot right into the pipe.

[robert.klempau · Accepted solution]

Hello @-Navisworker-,

Why create a group from one sprinkler head whit fittings and pipe and move the basepoint to the intersection of a tile and copy the group over your ceiling tiles.

Then ungroup them and connect them to the mail pipe.

[robert.klempau · Accepted solution]

Hello @-Navisworker-,

Why create a group from one sprinkler head whit fittings and pipe and move the basepoint to the intersection of a tile and copy the group over your ceiling tiles.

Then ungroup them and connect them to the mail pipe.

[-Navisworker-]

This has really simplified the process. I would say this approach is 65% faster than the methods I had to do to achieve the same results.

[-Navisworker-]

This has really simplified the process. I would say this approach is 65% faster than the methods I had to do to achieve the same results.

[jwinklerSB4SV · Accepted solution]

Navisworker is right.  I am using the out of box family "Sprinkler-Pendent-Hosted  -1/2" Pendant on Drop."  It appears to be a faced based family because I can place it on a vertical face.  My revit model has both linked ceilings and I have created a compound ceiling for testing purposes.  From a Reflected ceiling view, the sprinkler will only host to vertical faces, even when "place on horizontal face" is checked.  I was able to rehost the sprinkler to the bottom surface of the ceiling using a 3D view.  What is the appropriate method of placing sprinklers if not using an RCP?  They do not want to attach to a compound ceiling?

[jwinklerSB4SV · Accepted solution]

Navisworker is right.  I am using the out of box family "Sprinkler-Pendent-Hosted  -1/2" Pendant on Drop."  It appears to be a faced based family because I can place it on a vertical face.  My revit model has both linked ceilings and I have created a compound ceiling for testing purposes.  From a Reflected ceiling view, the sprinkler will only host to vertical faces, even when "place on horizontal face" is checked.  I was able to rehost the sprinkler to the bottom surface of the ceiling using a 3D view.  What is the appropriate method of placing sprinklers if not using an RCP?  They do not want to attach to a compound ceiling?

[fabiosato · Accepted solution]

Hello,

Another option is to create a reference plane in one elevation or sectio, draw it from right to left, so the sprinkler orientation will be correct, name it sprinklers. Make it at lower height, later you can move it up.

In the plan view, set workplane to this new reference plane.

When inserting the sprinklers select place on workplane.

[fabiosato · Accepted solution]

Hello,

Another option is to create a reference plane in one elevation or sectio, draw it from right to left, so the sprinkler orientation will be correct, name it sprinklers. Make it at lower height, later you can move it up.

In the plan view, set workplane to this new reference plane.

When inserting the sprinklers select place on workplane.

[jwinklerSB4SV · Accepted solution]

Thank you, this is a good workaround.  Nevertheless this does not help me in my battle to prove that Revit is better than AutoCAD.  Our Fire Protection designer is learning to use Revit, and he couldn't even place a sprinkler according to the Revit instruction manual, and I couldn't explain why...

[jwinklerSB4SV · Accepted solution]

Thank you, this is a good workaround.  Nevertheless this does not help me in my battle to prove that Revit is better than AutoCAD.  Our Fire Protection designer is learning to use Revit, and he couldn't even place a sprinkler according to the Revit instruction manual, and I couldn't explain why...