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Show a Marker for the Internal Origin and Linked Files

Show a Marker for the Internal Origin and Linked Files

I have spent a considerable amount of time understanding and teaching the Revit Coordinate system. Right now, we have the ability to turn on/off the Project Base Point and Survey Point markers, but the Internal Origin point does not have a marker. While unclipping and telling the Project Base Point to move to the Startup location works (if it was moved to start with), it would be nice to have an option to show this with a marker (I'm thinking a solid filled dot would be nice).

 

Also, while we are at it, when a file (Revit, CAD, Sketchup, others) are linked in, it would be nice if there were an option to show the Internal Origin, Survey, and Project Base Point of the links.

 

I think these options would help a lot of people understand the Revit Coordinate System a little better.

 

Sash Kazeminejad

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dplumb_BWBR
Advisor

Ever since it was first introduced, I've wondered why you can't turn on the Project Base Point or the Survey Point for a Link.  Those sub-categories simply don't show up in the V/G under Linked models.
We often struggle with Linked models that don't line up with our model - Shared Coordinates or not.
If we are lucky enough to have a Grid intersection AND a Level, or some real modeled element in the Linked Model, we can measure & move things exactly.
But more often than not, there's nothing in the Linked model that exactly corresponds to something in our model. (HVAC model? Plumbing model?)
If we we could simply see the PBP and/or SP in their model, we'd be able to throw some dimensions in and align the models accurately.

Could you also consider to make (0,0,0) Origin visible to.

A lot of users don't understand that you actually have this in Revit.

 

arunc
Contributor

Excellent Idea!

Anonymous
Not applicable

Can you show a video on how to place a survey marker on a hanger rod support family in Revit?

 

Thanks,

SashKaz
Advocate

@Anonymous,

 

Are you wanting to locate each and every hanger with a coordinate point? If so, we wouldn't use a survey marker for that.

 

We have created a help file topic on this but it would also require you to have our software Ideate BIMLink to get the coordinate point data so that you can extract it to excel. Here is a little info on that:

 

https://ideatesoftware.com/support/help/ideate-bimlink/how-to/construction-tasks/receiving-field-coordinate-point-data

 

Is this what you are interested in?

Meelis123
Enthusiast

So few votes!? It's understood - no one even knows what this Internal Origin is. It's like a hidden gem or easter egg in Revit. You are lucky to find it.

SashKaz
Advocate

Hi @Meelis123,

 

I wrote a blog post on this awhile back. Worth a look: https://www.ideateinc.com/blog/2017/01/creating-origin-point-marker-for-revit

 

If you ever want to find the Internal Origin Point, right-click on the Project Base Point (the round point), then unclip it and then select "Move to Startup Location" If it moves in the X,Y,Z, then the PBP was moved from the internal origin.

 

But yes, it would be nice if this was exposed as a marker in Revit.

 

Sash

mlohden_ADSK
Explorer

This is massively important. I have seen far too many hours burned due to lack of understanding of origins and alignments and have spent way too much time explaining them. I would also like to have an interface for better managing the Shared Site coordinates.

LyleHardin
Advisor

Same for Revit Families too. I'd like to somehow see the origin point of Revit Families.

F.H.Paschen
Enthusiast

When coordinating between software like Revit, Autocad, Civil 3D, Navisworks and Infraworks its critical to maintain a common point of origin. When we inherit files from other sources, usually the survey and project points have already been moved off the original Revit origin and there's virtually no easy way to identify its location once that happens. Shared Coordinates is nice but not always the solution. It would be nice if it were possible to toggle on a visual reference to the location of the original origin and even maybe be able to snap a line to it so we can place a cube on it or dimension to it, etc. Maybe a special view like the "Reveal Hidden Elements" view toggle?

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dplumb_BWBR
Advisor

This has already been marked as an "Accepted Revit Idea" on the Revit Roadmap

https://blogs.autodesk.com/revit/2019/08/23/revit-public-roadmap-august-2019/

(Under Connect)

Also: original Idea

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/expose-project-base-point-for-links/idi-p/6323060

harlan_brumm
Autodesk
Status changed to: Implemented

I'm pleased to say that this has been implemented in Revit 2020.2.  Thanks for your votes and comments - Keep them coming. 

 

Thanks,

 

The Factory

Anonymous
Not applicable

yet another basic feature autodesk let's us beg for. can it really be that hard?! 😑

dplumb_BWBR
Advisor

Beg no more!

Exposing the Base and Survey Points was added in 2020.1

https://youtu.be/7AxDQ5fs74U

And the "Project Internal Origin" point in 2020.2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSDSrhzANw

Tarek_K
Autodesk
Status changed to: Gathering Support
 
Tarek_K
Autodesk
Status changed to: Implemented
 

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