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Pinned Element Warning Improvement

Pinned Element Warning Improvement

Pinning an element works well, but there are some nuances. How many times have you tried to move things only to be told that something was pinned in your select and then you get to try again?

 

I think that the handling of these should be different, or the warnings should show up in a different way.

 

If I select something that is pinned and want to move it, Revit waits until I've gone through the entire process to tell me that the element was pinned. Not a big deal when it's just one element that I've selected.

 

But what if I went through and selected a specific set of items that need to be moved, maybe some of them are pinned and some aren't. Now Revit doesn't move anything because any one of the items is pinned. Revit also cleared out my selection. Neat.

 

I think a couple of things could help with this and save some time/clicks:

  • The warning dialog's could show up BEFORE you go through the modify process that you were attempting. Warning that you are TRYING to move a pinned element.
  • The warning dialog could ask what you'd like to do. Something you have chosen to move is Pinned, do you really want to move that item?
    • If I choose no, then KEEP my previous selection EXCEPT the pinned items and move the rest.
    • If I choose yes, then un-pin it and move it. Maybe there should be an option for re-pinning pinned elements.
    • DO NOT allow this dialog to be hidden ("Don't show this again).
  • What if the Selection Filter dialog showed pinned elements in a different way? Maybe you have a section for the elements, and another section for pinned elements. This way you could also filter them out of your selection before trying to move them.

Maybe some will think that this defeats the purpose of the Pin, I don't think so, if anything, it makes users more aware of them. It should also save a ton of time in those situations where you have gone through a selection process and now you get to do it all again just because of one element.

17 Comments
Anonymous
Not applicable

Since objects are pinned with linked - why not add to the warning telling me I'm moving a pinned object "Would you like to unpin and move to new location". What a time saver and click saver! Currently, I have to click the warning, already selected the object, click unpin, select object again, move command....

dplumb_BWBR
Advisor

When you try to move a Pinned element, Revit will not let you

Pinned.JPG

This is well and good.

However, lots of times I DO want to move it.

The only way to do that is to Cancel, re-select the element, UnPin it, and start the Move again (hopefully remembering how far I wanted to Move it)

Can we please just get an "UnPin" button on the error dialog?

BTW, there are plenty of similar errors that could benefit having a similar "Just fix it and continue" button.

Evalucia
Advocate

Yes!

When I Pin something it's because I don't want to accidentaly move it.

So if I itentionally want to move it, there should be an option right in the warning!

LoganAC34
Advocate

I couldn't have said it better myself! Its aggravating when you meticulously select everything, activate your command and make the adjustment you want, only to be told you can move the object and have to start over. 

 

The post in the link below is similar and should be merged with this.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/pinned-objects/idi-p/8080575

Yes please. Stumble upon this every now and then and I just wish that I wouldn't have to Move again.

 

A simple "Yes, move anyway even though the object is pinned"-button would give more flow and intuitiveness to the whole command. I get that it is pinned for a reason which of course needs the dialogue but to have to do the command again is frustrating

FLUXPLANNING
Explorer

This should be implemented immediately.

Every warning that stops an action should pop up options to enable over rides 

Dash.b.
Participant

One of the most annoying things that happens to me while using Revit is when I spend a good minute + making precise selections of items I want to move together, and when I go to move it, if even just one out of the possibly hundreds of elements I selected was pinned, it cancels the command and de-selects everything I just spent so much time selecting. Worst of all: "select previous" does not work in this scenario for some reason!

 

Solution: when the "can't move pinned elements" warning comes up, there should be an "un-pin elements" option, instead of just "cancel."

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radovankubes7867
Explorer

Dass man darüber überhaupt diskutieren muss, das ist ganz klar ohne Rückmeldung unbrauchbar!

Mark_Engwirda
Collaborator

@Dash.b. Ensure that the selection toggle for pinned objects set to ignore and the behaviour that you are experiencing won't happen.

So yes maybe you forgot to do this simple step because we are are not perfect, that's where your idea kicks in and makes Revit a little more forgivable 🙂

I think the "Worst of all: "select previous" does not work in this scenario for some reason!" is the main culprit of the frustration here because it only re-selects the pinned objects that couldn't be moved and nothing else??

Maybe the revit engineers can do a little tweaking here and look into this please.

 

I would like to see this expanded as a broader idea which is "Ignore selected objects that can't be moved" as you may have selected a hosted object as part of the group and not realised it can't be move,  then you have to start ruling out what that object is.

 

radovankubes7867
Explorer

Liebe AutoCAD Leute,

 

es geht nicht um das Vergessen, es geht um die Einstellung dazu!

 

ich arbeite seit 30 Jahren mit AutoCAD und dem AutoCAD Support.

....Wir nehmen das in unsere Liste auf...

Am Bsp. Vorschlag Polylinie mit 100 Unterstützern, stand zum Schluss...Es gibt ja nur einen ähnlichen Vorschlag...was soviel heißt...uns egal?

 

Jetzt zu dem Problem der AUSWAHL.

Es gibt Probleme die gehören einfach ohne Diskussion umgesetzt und AutoCAD hat sich bei den “Testern“ zu bedanken und hat es zu erkennen was echt wichtig ist und es schnellstes umzusetzen!

 

Diese Funktion gibt es z.B für gesperrte Layer (man wird informiert, siehe AutoCAD)

 

Kubes R.

 

 

 

adaversa
Contributor

I don't suggest this as a substitute of modifying "select previous" to re-select the last user selection rather than that selection as modified by a command error, buuuuuut......

 

For big selections (or to allow using "select all" on multiple types) I use the pyRevit selection tools. The ones highlighted below are the most relevant to the issue. Just remember to use them before using the move command!

adaversa_0-1740153034194.png

 

benjamin_miranda
Contributor

if for some reason you forgot to disable the select pinned elements toggle, just after the object selection check status of the unpin button. If greyed out, you're good to go but if highlighted it means an object cannot be modified within the selection. Go find the object/s then deselect it until the unpin button turned to grey.

jonnyDJVAN
Explorer

This would be great, but even something like allowing the user to click the "select pinned elements" toggle without deselecting everything would be an improvement

Susana_Duarte_LMSI
Collaborator

Actually, @Evalucia , I have users pinning elements just so they can't select them when window selecting (using the option in the bottom right corner of the window). That happens with rooms and spaces, because they need to have them visible in floor plan to see the tags, but don't want to select them. 

It should be incredible also to have a pre-selection filter option defined by the user so they could stop pinning stuff just for this purpose.

Ric_Weber
Advisor
Ric_Weber
Advisor

@Ric_Weber Done! (I'm baaaccckk!! 😁)

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