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Ability to Rehost Elements before Deleting a Level

Ability to Rehost Elements before Deleting a Level

When deleting a Level a meaningful warning should tell you what is going to be deleted before you hit OK.

This way you can locate the objects and place them in a different Level. Then try again until all the objects hosted on the Level have been re-hosted to a different Level. Only then you can safely delete the Level.

 

At the moment, Revit 2018, you try to delete a Level and a warning tells you that a view is going to be deleted. You click OK and a whole bunch of things disappear without warning. There is no undo available for this action. Only then you get an idea of what was deleted. Too late.

Ideally, we should be able to select ALL objects hosted to a Level.

 

When Unloading a DWG you get a warning that this action cannot be undone even though you can reload it just as easily. But when deleting a Level which has serious repercussions no such warning and no Undo. Very NASTY tool.

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Anonymous
No aplicable

While Ideate and Revit 2019 Warning do help the process, it would be best to automatically rehost the elements on a new level.

 

New users will add a level and start modelling on it and creating views associated with the bad levels. Then when it is discovered late there are 1000s of elements on the levels. Revit does not provide a way to automatically adjust the wall offsets when changing the level references, this is the kind of capabilities we need.

 

When deleting a level, there is a question to be asked:

Is everything staying in place and being re hosted to the new reference level? or is it all going up/down to the new level height?

 

Really, this is a tool that is missing in other scenarios as well. When a wall is modelled on the wrong level, it is painful to fix. You change the level and it moves, there is no way to 'reassociate' without moving, where Revit would calculate the values so that it can change level, but stay in the exact same place.

 

So this is not just about deleting level, but the underlying process of re hosting an element to a new level without changing its location/dimensions.

 

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Another pain point is when users have created views on the wrong level. It is painful to recreate all these views. You create a new view, transfer a view template from one view to the new one and then copy only the 2d elements of the old view onto the new one.

 

If there was an automated way to do this, it would be great. Often what happens is that it'S so annoying and complicated to do this that projects leave bad levels, making it harder for future users to reuse the Revit file for facility management or other advanced uses.

lionel.kai
Advisor

Even when NOT deleting a Level, there have been many times when I've wanted to change the "Associated Level" of a plan - especially when dealing with Braces, since the Level (not the View Range) affects whether the braces are shown as "below" or "above" the other framing. And there's already an idea for that:

Allow ability to change a view's associated level

The problem with doing it manually is that Linework and Element Overrides can be missed (though we try to avoid them, when we use them we need them).

Anonymous
No aplicable

You're on it Lionel! Autodesk is going to have to start to pay you for cleaning up their forums Emoticono muy feliz

Thanks for the useful input!

Anonymous
No aplicable

For those looking for a soluton to this problem, a user of mine found a less terrible way to delete levels:

(This solution does not deal with the problem of views dissapearing)

 

Using Ideate Explorer, select all the items that are on the level you want to delete. Cut them using the Modify tool. Delete the level and then Paste the items in Place. The items will rehost themselves on the closest level.

sash.kazeminejad
Participant

@Anonymous Thanks for the plug on this. I wrote a blog post on this very issue, describing the process of using Ideate Explorer to safely delete a level and re-host elements to another level. Have a look at it and let me know if it aligns with your workflows

 

https://ideatesoftware.com/blog/ideate-explorer-and-ideateapps-safely-moving-revit-content

 

Sash Kazeminejad

Anonymous
No aplicable

Quick feedback: I showed the link to my user and he still prefers his method (still using your software).

 

He said you method is the same, but more complicated and with queries. I did not look at the video.

rolandga
Enthusiast

I second the suggestions from sarsenaultbrassard.

But at a minimum for right now Autodek should fix the warning: Rather than just have a warning that items will be deleted the first warning should be "YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO UNDO THIS OPERATION". 

Please, Autodesk!

 

 

 

 

Anonymous
No aplicable

Facing the same issue being a BIM Manager myself. I took the step and developed a plugin that auto protect levels and offers a rehost too when levels deleting is initiated. It solves most of the hosted dependencies if you choose to auto process the items. if you are keen on solving this issue using third party addin check it out on official Autodesk App Store..

https://apps.autodesk.com/RVT/en/Detail/Index?id=1184586383885420309

Here is what I wrote in its description.

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Megara Levels SafeGuard solves the irritating issue, where the elements get accidentally deleted by the deletion of associated Levels.

With this APP Users have an extra layer of protection for their levels, and are notified that elements will be lost, Unless they manually unprotected the level.

And more! You have the option to automatically Rehost elements to another level retaining the same elevation but from the new hosting level

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I'm Keen to hear what do you all think about it after giving it a try. And looking forward to getting feedback about any elements i didn't include in the auto processing engine if I there are any to make the Automatic solution more complete in the future versions.

Anonymous
No aplicable

This is really irritating, here at our company we gave sessions to what are the sources of accidentlynlosing elements and valuable work and included the levels deleting issue ..But whatever you do it is always better to protect than to cry on the split milk later ..revit 2019 took a step forward already but to better suit our needs and to do some auto rehosting I developed a plugin that auto protect levels and offers a rehost too when levels deleting is initiated. It solves most of the hosted dependencies if you choose to auto process the items. if you are keen on solving this issue using third party addin check it out on official Autodesk App Store..

 

https://apps.autodesk.com/RVT/en/Detail/Index?id=1184586383885420309

 

I'm Keen to hear what do you all think about it after giving it a try. And looking forward to getting feedback about any elements i didn't include in the auto processing engine if I there are any to make the Automatic solution more complete in the future versions.

 

 

 

Anonymous
No aplicable

My "Solution" has been to create a Multi-Category schedule (sort by Level/Category/Family & Type, & unchecked Itemize button) to find elements on a level I want to modify, then reassign by selecting Row (to select elements), highlight a View, then in Properties Palette, select to swap level....or Copy to Clipboard & delete then Paste to Selected Level.

El estado se ha cambiado a: Gathering Support

Congratulations! We are updating this thread to Gathering Support. We are continuing to evaluate where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision. 

 

The Factory

Nurlan-A.
Advisor

Why did the moderator combine two different ideas again?

Kevin.Bell
Advisor

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones Does Autodesk read these posts???

 

- I don't see the point in combining these ideas when they are not the same...

 

- The status is marked as implimented... It isn't implimented, my original post asked for the ability to reassign objects, what the point of a message telling you that 4000 objects will be deleted - its no help to the user.

 

Simply combining an idea with 600+ votes outstanding for 4 years with a newer one with fewer votes and marked as 'Implimented' is not the way to listen to your users.

 

Disappointed.

@Kevin.Bell  Thank you for your feedback. I have forwarded this thread to our product team for review.

Ok, hopefully we are in agreement that the initial idea (again, per the product team) "the warning", was Implemented. However, you are correct in that the secondary Idea should stand on its own (I goofed. We do read the Ideas, but I am also human, and *gasp* make mistakes. I am humbled.) To resolve this, and continue to move this Idea forward, I will re-open the thread by moving it to Gathering Support, and re-title the thread to make it clear that the Idea is about re-hosting elements when a Level is deleted. This way the Kudos will stay and continue from here.

 

I certainly appreciate constructive feedback and will take this into consideration for future posts. Thank you for your patience as we strive to improve the Ideas forum.

 

-Kimberly

El estado se ha cambiado a: Gathering Support
 
Kevin.Bell
Advisor

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones Thanks for doing that. Sorry if my comments were overly harsh.

@Kevin.Bell  You're welcome! Looking forward to hearing more feedback from our Community!

Anonymous
No aplicable

Hello @kimberly_fuhrman-jones ,

 

Much appreciate that Autodesk is making progress on this request. But one thing I want to make sure will be addressed is not only reassigning the hosted element to a new level, but making sure the element does not move - making sure it retains it's absolute elevation, even though the new host level is at a different elevation.

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Maybe even better, when you are about to delete a level, a window pops up with the warning that some elements are about to be deleted, and an overview of all those elements with the possibility to choose a new host level.

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