WALL SWEEP DOESN'T CUT OUT

[christopher_c_donovan]

I have made a Family profile sweep for the base of a Wall starting at the top of the foundations and finishing 400mm above the Insertion Point  i.e: Level0 in the Project.

The Wall in the Project contains a " Moon Gate" cut into the Wall using Edit Profile tools. If the Sweep is set at 60mm above Level 0 it is cut - set it at Level0 where it should be and it isn't cut. 

Quite Simply Que Passa?   Note a cornice profile sweep, again made as a Family and set approx two thirds of the way up the Opening cuts beautifully. 

NB Both the Base Sweep and the Cornice Sweep are introduced into the Project using Wall Sweep under the Architecture Tab with the relevant Profile in each Sweep Type.     

[christopher_c_donovan]

I have made a Family profile sweep for the base of a Wall starting at the top of the foundations and finishing 400mm above the Insertion Point  i.e: Level0 in the Project.

The Wall in the Project contains a " Moon Gate" cut into the Wall using Edit Profile tools. If the Sweep is set at 60mm above Level 0 it is cut - set it at Level0 where it should be and it isn't cut. 

Quite Simply Que Passa?   Note a cornice profile sweep, again made as a Family and set approx two thirds of the way up the Opening cuts beautifully. 

NB Both the Base Sweep and the Cornice Sweep are introduced into the Project using Wall Sweep under the Architecture Tab with the relevant Profile in each Sweep Type.     

[barthbradley]

Can you share the file? Screenshots aren't doing it for me.  😉 

[barthbradley]

Can you share the file? Screenshots aren't doing it for me.  😉 

[christopher_c_donovan]

Attached the Project file - should go straight to my last 3D View of the Moon Gate. 

[christopher_c_donovan]

Attached the Project file - should go straight to my last 3D View of the Moon Gate. 

[Corsten.Au]

Wall sweeps usually gets uncut when a wall based families are places like doors and windows. If you are trying to cut it using any other categories then it ll be tough. You may use a generic model, line based extrusion using profile ( face based )  and then use it in the project. 

[Corsten.Au]

Wall sweeps usually gets uncut when a wall based families are places like doors and windows. If you are trying to cut it using any other categories then it ll be tough. You may use a generic model, line based extrusion using profile ( face based )  and then use it in the project. 

[christopher_c_donovan]

Thanks for your email. The wall sweep does get cut by the opening in the
wall but only if it is out of position. I also experienced this problem
with two walls automatically filleting in very close proximity to each
other. I think my "Workflow" is OK in that I am using the "right kind of
sweep" with the " right kind" of opening (if I understand you correctly)
but my dimensioning/ placement of the sweep maybe wrong. As an old Autocad
User (1989) I am still ham fisted when it comes to
using/placing/dimensioning in Revit's work spaces.

[christopher_c_donovan]

Thanks for your email. The wall sweep does get cut by the opening in the
wall but only if it is out of position. I also experienced this problem
with two walls automatically filleting in very close proximity to each
other. I think my "Workflow" is OK in that I am using the "right kind of
sweep" with the " right kind" of opening (if I understand you correctly)
but my dimensioning/ placement of the sweep maybe wrong. As an old Autocad
User (1989) I am still ham fisted when it comes to
using/placing/dimensioning in Revit's work spaces.

[christopher_c_donovan]

Apologies Barth - just got back to office and checked replies - looks like my attempt to send you project file failed yesterday think I might have hit the send button prematurely. . Sending it again this time project properly attached.

Project should open in 3D Plan View - if not select the 3D VIEW Cube -set it to Top and rotate to North then  hit the bottom left hand corner/SW and it should take you to aView of the Moon Gate in question - you will see the bottom sweep [name: Wall Sweep Plinth]  cutting across the opening. 

Note the Wall Sweep Bonzai Right Hosted above it works fine and remarkably did this from the off/first time!

[christopher_c_donovan]

Apologies Barth - just got back to office and checked replies - looks like my attempt to send you project file failed yesterday think I might have hit the send button prematurely. . Sending it again this time project properly attached.

Project should open in 3D Plan View - if not select the 3D VIEW Cube -set it to Top and rotate to North then  hit the bottom left hand corner/SW and it should take you to aView of the Moon Gate in question - you will see the bottom sweep [name: Wall Sweep Plinth]  cutting across the opening. 

Note the Wall Sweep Bonzai Right Hosted above it works fine and remarkably did this from the off/first time!

[barthbradley]

Is this what you are trying to do?

[barthbradley]

Is this what you are trying to do?

[christopher_c_donovan]

Yup! Thats it exactly. 

[christopher_c_donovan]

Yup! Thats it exactly. 

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

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@christopher_c_donovan wrote:

Yup! Thats it exactly. 

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Well then, create a Wall Sweep that is sized correctly for those areas.  

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

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@christopher_c_donovan wrote:

Yup! Thats it exactly. 

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Well then, create a Wall Sweep that is sized correctly for those areas.  

[christopher_c_donovan]

I thought I had done but double checking the original Family Profile I see
the inside leg [ie touching host] is 6.6mm too long!! I chamfered the
profile making the outside dimension 1100mm not the inside!!

Thank you - You should now be getting enough material to write a book
called "Stupidity". God bless and thanks for your patience.

[christopher_c_donovan]

I thought I had done but double checking the original Family Profile I see
the inside leg [ie touching host] is 6.6mm too long!! I chamfered the
profile making the outside dimension 1100mm not the inside!!

Thank you - You should now be getting enough material to write a book
called "Stupidity". God bless and thanks for your patience.

[christopher_c_donovan]

 Hi  Barth 

Back to square one and sweep not cutting out - See attached images. I really don't know what I am doing wrong. 

I have walls where the plinth profile is cut by the opening  and walls right across from them that don't. The only thing consistent is if the profile is broken by the opening it does not continue underneath it as per your image.  See Attached images 1 and 2. 

I went back to basics - opened a new project - created a bog standard wall and tried a few things out [see image 3] 

I divided the wall with three thin rectangular cuts left edge /centre/ right edge dividing the wall into two areas. 

On the lefthand side I place windows / doors and structural openings using the WINDOW/DOOR/COMPONENT commands. On the right hand side I modelled the openings using EDIT PROFILE - NNB this would seem to be the best way to make a Moon Gate? - Note the plinth profile works well in ALL cases on the lefthand side but in none of the right hand cases. THIS IS USING THE SAME " PLINTH" PROFILE from the Town Park Model. Note the thin dividing rectangular cut outs made with EDIT PROFILE too. 

The thought occurred to me that may be the problem was in part due to the fact that the Moon Gates are in fact separate Walls from the main run of wall and if nothing else this is why I have at least been able to get the plinth profile to break at the Moon Gate openings even if the plinth does not continue underneath. With this in mind I have just split one of the walls eitherside of one of the rectangular openings - deleted the profile along the entire wall length and started again. Low and behold it didn't work covering the opening as per image 1 and 2. I mucked about with it and if I raise the plinth 5mm above the Base [Top of footing] the plinth splits on eitherside. I can raise it further to the same effect but I cannot lower it such that Offset from Level in the Properties = 0. 

Suffice it to say in no case can I get the profile to continue underneath the MoonGaqte or the Rectangular Doors in the Wall. 

I am at a loss where to go with this and clearly have not understood your last post correctly. 

[christopher_c_donovan]

 Hi  Barth 

Back to square one and sweep not cutting out - See attached images. I really don't know what I am doing wrong. 

I have walls where the plinth profile is cut by the opening  and walls right across from them that don't. The only thing consistent is if the profile is broken by the opening it does not continue underneath it as per your image.  See Attached images 1 and 2. 

I went back to basics - opened a new project - created a bog standard wall and tried a few things out [see image 3] 

I divided the wall with three thin rectangular cuts left edge /centre/ right edge dividing the wall into two areas. 

On the lefthand side I place windows / doors and structural openings using the WINDOW/DOOR/COMPONENT commands. On the right hand side I modelled the openings using EDIT PROFILE - NNB this would seem to be the best way to make a Moon Gate? - Note the plinth profile works well in ALL cases on the lefthand side but in none of the right hand cases. THIS IS USING THE SAME " PLINTH" PROFILE from the Town Park Model. Note the thin dividing rectangular cut outs made with EDIT PROFILE too. 

The thought occurred to me that may be the problem was in part due to the fact that the Moon Gates are in fact separate Walls from the main run of wall and if nothing else this is why I have at least been able to get the plinth profile to break at the Moon Gate openings even if the plinth does not continue underneath. With this in mind I have just split one of the walls eitherside of one of the rectangular openings - deleted the profile along the entire wall length and started again. Low and behold it didn't work covering the opening as per image 1 and 2. I mucked about with it and if I raise the plinth 5mm above the Base [Top of footing] the plinth splits on eitherside. I can raise it further to the same effect but I cannot lower it such that Offset from Level in the Properties = 0. 

Suffice it to say in no case can I get the profile to continue underneath the MoonGaqte or the Rectangular Doors in the Wall. 

I am at a loss where to go with this and clearly have not understood your last post correctly. 

[barthbradley]

Not totally following. Are we still talking about the plinth at the "moongate"? 

If we are, I suggested placing a plinth specifically sized for that location. Another route you could go, is to edit the "moongate", create a void extrusion and cut the plinth with it before exiting out of edit mode.  

[barthbradley]

Not totally following. Are we still talking about the plinth at the "moongate"? 

If we are, I suggested placing a plinth specifically sized for that location. Another route you could go, is to edit the "moongate", create a void extrusion and cut the plinth with it before exiting out of edit mode.  

[ToanDN]

This?

[ToanDN]

This?

[christopher_c_donovan]

Yes we are  

I think you are right with the idea of simply making a "made to measure" sweep immediately below where you have indicated though obviously this would not work on more complex "cut outs" again see images of Brick Wall. 

I have tried the idea of using a Void within  MODEL IN PLACE to cut both the Stacked Wall and the sweep but have not had any success [assuming I have done it correctly] it cuts the wall but again not the sweep - sorry no images tried for last half hour but our internet is neolithic!!!!!!!!!!

If I am understanding REVIT 2016 correctly sweeps will only be cut "intelligently" by WINDOWS/DOORS and STRUCTURAL OPENINGS from the ARCHITECTURAL TAB. 

[christopher_c_donovan]

Yes we are  

I think you are right with the idea of simply making a "made to measure" sweep immediately below where you have indicated though obviously this would not work on more complex "cut outs" again see images of Brick Wall. 

I have tried the idea of using a Void within  MODEL IN PLACE to cut both the Stacked Wall and the sweep but have not had any success [assuming I have done it correctly] it cuts the wall but again not the sweep - sorry no images tried for last half hour but our internet is neolithic!!!!!!!!!!

If I am understanding REVIT 2016 correctly sweeps will only be cut "intelligently" by WINDOWS/DOORS and STRUCTURAL OPENINGS from the ARCHITECTURAL TAB. 

[ToanDN]

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@christopher_c_donovan wrote:

If I am understanding REVIT 2016 correctly sweeps will only be cut "intelligently" by WINDOWS/DOORS and STRUCTURAL OPENINGS from the ARCHITECTURAL TAB. 

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No that is incorrect.  You can create a face based family with a void cutting the host, load it and host it on the wall sweep to cut it.

Alternately, you can create an in-place SOLID mass to cut the wall sweep.

[ToanDN]

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@christopher_c_donovan wrote:

If I am understanding REVIT 2016 correctly sweeps will only be cut "intelligently" by WINDOWS/DOORS and STRUCTURAL OPENINGS from the ARCHITECTURAL TAB. 

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No that is incorrect.  You can create a face based family with a void cutting the host, load it and host it on the wall sweep to cut it.

Alternately, you can create an in-place SOLID mass to cut the wall sweep.

[christopher_c_donovan]

Hi. Did you get that result using a single sweep of the [my] plinth profile? In other words the Moon Gate EDIT PROFILE  Cut out of its Host Wall  is acting as would a Door or a Window and the sweep is being "intelligently" cut?

[christopher_c_donovan]

Hi. Did you get that result using a single sweep of the [my] plinth profile? In other words the Moon Gate EDIT PROFILE  Cut out of its Host Wall  is acting as would a Door or a Window and the sweep is being "intelligently" cut?

[ToanDN]

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@christopher_c_donovan wrote:

Hi. Did you get that result using a single sweep of the [my] plinth profile? In other words the Moon Gate EDIT PROFILE  Cut out of its Host Wall  is acting as would a Door or a Window and the sweep is being "intelligently" cut?

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Yes it is your sweep.  I didn't make anything new, just cut it with a face based family.

[ToanDN]

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@christopher_c_donovan wrote:

Hi. Did you get that result using a single sweep of the [my] plinth profile? In other words the Moon Gate EDIT PROFILE  Cut out of its Host Wall  is acting as would a Door or a Window and the sweep is being "intelligently" cut?

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Yes it is your sweep.  I didn't make anything new, just cut it with a face based family.

[christopher_c_donovan]

Sorry I don't understand how you can do that. - Sweeps run parallel to the
Wall Face?- the Moon Gate cuts perpendicular to the Wall Face? Wouldn't you
need to use a Void Extrusion? I'm out to lunch on this one and I can't get
my head around it. Would you set up the Sweep on a Sketch Path running
perpendicular to and through the Wall? I've had a stab at it but a] can't
control the insertion point and b] the Sweep command will have none of it.
Sorry stupid I'm being really thick on this one! Probably the Art of the
Bleeding obvious but I can't see it - any further info on how it can be
done?

[christopher_c_donovan]

Sorry I don't understand how you can do that. - Sweeps run parallel to the
Wall Face?- the Moon Gate cuts perpendicular to the Wall Face? Wouldn't you
need to use a Void Extrusion? I'm out to lunch on this one and I can't get
my head around it. Would you set up the Sweep on a Sketch Path running
perpendicular to and through the Wall? I've had a stab at it but a] can't
control the insertion point and b] the Sweep command will have none of it.
Sorry stupid I'm being really thick on this one! Probably the Art of the
Bleeding obvious but I can't see it - any further info on how it can be
done?

[barthbradley]

Do you have access to any other version of Revit besides 2016?  If so, we could provide back to you your RVT using the approaches suggested above?  That way you look them over and see how they're done.  Betcha have an "ah-ha" moment when you see them.  😉      

[barthbradley]

Do you have access to any other version of Revit besides 2016?  If so, we could provide back to you your RVT using the approaches suggested above?  That way you look them over and see how they're done.  Betcha have an "ah-ha" moment when you see them.  😉      

[ToanDN]

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@christopher_c_donovan wrote:
Sorry I don't understand how you can do that. - Sweeps run parallel to the
Wall Face?- the Moon Gate cuts perpendicular to the Wall Face? Wouldn't you
need to use a Void Extrusion? I'm out to lunch on this one and I can't get
my head around it. Would you set up the Sweep on a Sketch Path running
perpendicular to and through the Wall? I've had a stab at it but a] can't
control the insertion point and b] the Sweep command will have none of it.
Sorry stupid I'm being really thick on this one! Probably the Art of the
Bleeding obvious but I can't see it - any further info on how it can be
done?

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See GIF.

[ToanDN]

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@christopher_c_donovan wrote:
Sorry I don't understand how you can do that. - Sweeps run parallel to the
Wall Face?- the Moon Gate cuts perpendicular to the Wall Face? Wouldn't you
need to use a Void Extrusion? I'm out to lunch on this one and I can't get
my head around it. Would you set up the Sweep on a Sketch Path running
perpendicular to and through the Wall? I've had a stab at it but a] can't
control the insertion point and b] the Sweep command will have none of it.
Sorry stupid I'm being really thick on this one! Probably the Art of the
Bleeding obvious but I can't see it - any further info on how it can be
done?

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See GIF.