Laptop for 3d render and modeling

[Anonymous]

Is a laptop with 128 ssd with 1 tb hhd enough over a 250 ssd nvme with 1 tb hhd ??
And shall the nvme ssd be my pick over the normal ssd ??
Meaning will I get a better preformace ?

[amorap]

nvme drives are much faster than SATA SSD.

NVME M2 PCI drives have data transfers about 2000 Mb / sec more or less.

Regards.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

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@Anonymous wrote:
Is a laptop with 128 ssd with 1 tb hhd enough over a 250 ssd nvme with 1 tb hhd ??
And shall the nvme ssd be my pick over the normal ssd ??
Meaning will I get a better preformace ?

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Your question is like asking if a BMW M5 is faster than a Toyota Corolla.  Of course, you should pick a NVME over SATA if money is none of your concerns.

In terms of real world performance, a jump from HDD to SSD is very noticeable but from SSD to NVME is not that much, unless your primary operation with the computer is reading and writing huge amount of data to and from the drive.  Revit modeling and rendering requires much more from the CPU, Graphic card, and RAM than from the storage.  Spend your money where it is most worth.

[amorap]

I am not totally agree.
Its obvious that a more powerfull CPU and GPU and greater amount of RAM improves performance. salah-barakat does not say anything about other features of the laptop, neither the amount of RAM, CPU or GPU type...

Focusing only on the storage drive, a 128 Gb SSD is very poor compared to a 250 GB nvme drive.
Its not posible compare between a 128 GB unit and a 250 GB one.

The operating system, programs, pagefile, ... have to share the room, and 128 GB is too narrow. The choice among that computers is clear for me, without any doubt I would choose the 250 Gb drive.

Its very important that the pagefile resides on a very fast unit. Graphics and design apps needs a lot of memory, and if you dont have a huge amount of ram, then the pagefile activity increases a lot.

Regards from Spain.

[ToanDN]

Did I say the choice is not clear?  I sure did (BMW M5 vs Toyota Corolla).

My point is if he is using the computer for Revit than he should invest to upgrade CPU, Graphic, and RAM before Storage.  With the money he spends on a 256 GB NVME he can almost double it with a 512 GB SSD, and for Revit tasks he wouldn't see the speed difference.  Of course, if he also uses the computers for heavy data reading and writing such video authoring then by no means, buy the fastest storage available.

[amorap]

Nobody is saying anything about the CPU or GPU.
We are only talking about storage drives, and YES, a nvme drive es much better than a SSD, about 4 times faster, and in addition this nvme unit has twice the capacity of the SSD one. There is no doubt in this choice.

If you want to speak about CPU or GPU for Revit there are a lot of aspects to analyze, but consider that today we are using our computers for a lot of things, not only render or modeling.
Render and modeling are quite different activities. When you are modeling, generally you are focused on this activity, but when you are rendering usually is a background task and you are doing other activities at the same time with the computer.
For rendering, in my opinion is more suitable a CPU with a lot of cores rather than a faster one with less cores, but for modeling is just the opposite.

Anyway, just in this case, we dont know what CPU or GPU is installe on the computer, only the storage, and the difference is obvious.

regards.

[Anonymous]

Its that I have to pick between two laptops one with the 128 ssd with a very good color accuracy and the other has the 250 nvme but with poor brightness and color gamet

[Anonymous]

Its that I have to pick between two laptops one with the 128 ssd with a very good color accuracy and the other has the 250 nvme but with poor brightness and color gamet

[ToanDN]

Now it's a different story.  I can say it is easier and relatively cheap to replace the 128 GB SSD with a better one but I cannot say the same about the screen.

[Anonymous]

128GB is not large enough for both Windows and Revit...  get a 256gb or higher.  Once you start getting multiple versions and other software on there your system will be at a crawl.

Also...hard drive space is not going to improve your 3D Rendering and modeling, that is the CPU and 3D Graphics card that does this. So @ToanDN is correct in asking about that.

@Anonymous Share the full specs for the machines in question, as the CPU, RAM and Graphics card are priority in this case.  Size of the hard drive is important too, but that is for how much you can install and the wiggle room for your temp files. 128GB leaves no wiggle room for Temp files.

[Anonymous]

It isnt only a 128 gb ss its with a 1 tb hdd ... same case for the nvme

[ToanDN]

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@amorap wrote:

Nobody is saying anything about the CPU or GPU.
We are only talking about storage drives, and YES, a nvme drive es much better than a SSD, about 4 times faster, and in addition this nvme unit has twice the capacity of the SSD one. There is no doubt in this choice.

If you want to speak about CPU or GPU for Revit there are a lot of aspects to analyze, but consider that today we are using our computers for a lot of things, not only render or modeling.
Render and modeling are quite different activities. When you are modeling, generally you are focused on this activity, but when you are rendering usually is a background task and you are doing other activities at the same time with the computer.
For rendering, in my opinion is more suitable a CPU with a lot of cores rather than a faster one with less cores, but for modeling is just the opposite.

Anyway, just in this case, we dont know what CPU or GPU is installe on the computer, only the storage, and the difference is obvious.

regards.

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You keep arguing a moot point.  The speed is faster, the capacity is larger, even the secondary HDD is twice the size.  Then of course, the choice is obvious.  But since is is too obvious, there must be some other ingredients weighting the scale so that OP needs to ask.  Nobody in their right mind is going out and asking "hey is this really good thing over here better than that really bad thing over there?".

Since I read his purpose is to use the computer for Revit modeling and rendering, I gave him some input about what are important to these specific tasks.  If you think my opinion is invalid then it is fine but keep saying NVME is faster than SSD is useless.  Everybody knows it.

[Anonymous]

Even if you installed Revit on the HDD, items will still be installed on the OS side....that 128GB is going to fill up fast.  If you install the OS and Revit on the HDD, then what is the point of having the SSD?

That is the point I am trying to make....128GB is not enough to install everything and leave room for the Temp directory, which Revit wants at least 20GB free.

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:
Its that I have to pick between two laptops one with the 128 ssd with a very good color accuracy and the other has the 250 nvme but with poor brightness and color gamet

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I agree that 128GB is not going to cut it.  Still, if I were you, I would pick the laptop with the better screen and upgrade the 128 GB SSD to at least 256 GB or larger (NVME is better of course no arguments here).   

[Anonymous]

The main problem is that the 128 ssd laptop will cost me 600$ more ....

[ToanDN]

I think you should show both laptops' complete spec, cost, and your budget instead of slipping out pieces of information one at a time.  At this point I don't know which one is the BMW anymore.

[Anonymous]

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@Anonymous wrote:
The main problem is that the 128 ssd laptop will cost me 600$ more ....

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What are the specs for the laptops you are looking at?

You may find out that neither one of them is suitable for Revit.  $600 for a 128gb upgrade?  What kind of currency are we looking at here?  I can get a 1TB SSD for half that cost in US Dollars.

[Anonymous]

Its not just the ssd its another laptop
Im looking for a laptop that can handle the video render and modeling on revit and 3dmax and render on both
So I was adviced to get a gaming laptop over a workstatio as it will cost me less money with the same specs .. Im currently choosing between the accer predator 15 and the helios 300 ( the helios 300 is the one with the 250 ssd nvme and a not so good screen ) the other one is the predator 15 it over prices the helios (600 $) for a better screen and other stuff that doesnt matter ..
I really dont know what I should go with ( I think its worth mentioning that the predator 15 is much heavier and thicker ... I move a lot with the laptop )

[dgorsman]

Could you elaborate a bit more on the screens, as to what you mean by "very good color accuracy" and "poor brightness and color gamut"?  Those terms may be getting used incorrectly and may not even come into play for your needs.  For example, unless you're composting for HD or 4K TV, a high-performance display isn't going to make a difference.

I'll also throw out that laptops make for lousy rendering computers.  While they're fine for simple stuff like basic classroom exercises, for any kind of quality rendering (i.e. left running for hours or overnight) from a laptop you should seriously consider the Autodesk cloud-based rendering or similar solutions, or line up a desktop box.  Most of the renderers provided for Revit and 3DSMAX are CPU-based so will benefit from large numbers of cores which you can't get on a reasonably-priced laptop.

[Anonymous]

I can use a pc ... I need a laptop I always work outside and keep running around ..