Graphic Setting for Column

Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H
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Graphic Setting for Column

hliS658H
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I have a Graphic question - the column has a solid color fill but loses the color once it is next to a wall. How to change the setting to keep the solid color fill of the column? Thanks.

 

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Message 2 of 29

linkboy
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use structural column

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barthbradley
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Unjoin.  

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hliS658H
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Good advice.

I went ahead to change the column family setting, unchecked "Automatically joins geometry to walls" and problem was solved.

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hliS658H
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I tried to use structural column, but the column's base level was set to site level instead of ground level, whenever I manually change it to ground level, it gave me error messages.

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ToanDN
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If the columns are structural then I would use structural column instead of architectural columns as per @linkboy .  Architectural columns with automatic joining to wall are useful to create decorative feature, column furring, bump-outs, odd and end conditions of a wall.

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ToanDN
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Choose Height instead of Depth when place structural columns.

 

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Message 8 of 29

hliS658H
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Just to verify, the structural column from the drop down menu of Architecture/Column is for load bearing column, whereas Column: Architectural is used for "fake" column such as the furrout of the column?

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hliS658H
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This is a good link about the difference of structural and architectural columns. 

 

Help | Video: Place Columns | Autodesk

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barthbradley
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ToanDN
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@hliS658H wrote:

Just to verify, the structural column from the pull down menu of Architecture/Column is for load bearing column, whereas Column: Architectural is used for "fake" column such as the furrout of the column?

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Yes you got it. 

Architectural columns that join with walls automatically are very handy in a lot of cases (we use stretchable architectural columns quite extensively for existing wall conditions with of bumps allover the place), but what you show there are definitely structural.

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hliS658H
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Yes, these are structural columns and I don't think architectural columns are needed here. I can change the base level without any issues now. But I do not see where I can change it graphically, such as solid color fill, as I did for architectural column family.

 

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hliS658H
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What advice do you have for this situation? 

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ToanDN
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@hliS658H wrote:

Yes, these are structural columns and I don't think architectural columns are needed here. I can change the base level without any issues now. But I do not see where I can change it graphically, such as solid color fill, as I did for architectural column family.

 

 

 


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ToanDN
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@hliS658H wrote:

What advice do you have for this situation? 

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Join geometry.

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hliS658H
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ToanDN
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@hliS658H wrote:

I saw this thread, looks like no easy solution yet?

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/cut-wall-end-at-an-angle/idi-p/6325434#comments


I am not understanding the difficulty.  Is it what you want?  Again, Join geometry the structural column and the architectural wall.

 

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barthbradley
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@hliS658H wrote:

What advice do you have for this situation? 

 

 


 

Join Geometry -- in the correct Join Order.  

 

...Join Geometry removes volume at union. 

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Message 19 of 29

hliS658H
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Actually, no issue for Structural Column, no need to join structural column and architectural wall;  For Architectural Column, if join, then the architectural column will have the same graphics as the wall. So, have to use structural column when they don't meet in a perpendicular way.

 

Problem after problem, I edit a structural column to have a corner cut off, the new family has the hatch pattern, however it loses the hatch pattern once I upload it into the project model;  I haven't changed anything except the shape.   Both families are attached here.

 

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hliS658H
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In this situation, it doesn't matter the join order; it doesn't work for architectural column. No "join geometry" is needed for structural column. So have to use structural column here.

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