reused frame dont mesh with line element

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reused frame dont mesh with line element

Anonymous
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I made a rectangle using fram generator in Inventor. I use the function reuse in order to have only two part number as the lenght is the same on each side. When I try to mesh the, Nastran don't mesh the reused structural member, only the original one. I can't put any load or constraint at vertice cause the rectangle is not entirely meshed. I can't find a way around this problem.

 

 beam_elements.png

 

Does anyone know a solution?

 

Thank

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John_Holtz
Autodesk Support
Autodesk Support

Hi @Anonymous

 

I have a question about your model. In the CAD environment in Inventor, are there parts with the same name? In particular, the parts that do not mesh in In-CAD, do they have the same name?

 

When you insert a duplicate part, Inventor should give it a different name (something like Part:1, Part:2, Part:3). I encountered an issue where the duplicate part was not given a different name, and that caused a problem with In-CAD.

 

I am not an Inventor expert, so I do not know how to create the other parts and create a new name. If you learn how to do that, please let us know!

 

 



John Holtz, P.E.

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Anonymous
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Inventor give a different name...

2018-09-17 12_19_44-Mise à jour _ Demande de support T20180904.0023 - david.parebissonnette@hydro-mo.png

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John_Holtz
Autodesk Support
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Hi @Anonymous

 

Can you attach your Inventor file? (From what I can see in the image, it looks like a single .ipt part, but it could be part and assembly .iam files.)



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Anonymous
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Here is the model.
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Anonymous
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Im not able to join a zip folder in the forum...

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Anonymous
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But its easy to reproduce the project. You draw a rectangle in a sketch. Use the frame generator to assign tube to one short and one long side. Then you use the fonction reuse for both opposite side. Then you open Nastran-in-cad and make sure the frame are considered as structural member and then mesh it.

 

Thank you!

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John_Holtz
Autodesk Support
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Hi @Anonymous

 

What happens when you try to add a .zip file using the attachment/browse function near the bottom of the reply dialog? (I am attaching a test zip file just to make sure the forum is working okay. There is nothing useful in my zip file Smiley Happy)

 

 



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Anonymous
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I use the zip file attachmentt. I will try to see if its a probleme with my computer.

 

Thank

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Anonymous
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I tried with another computer and it still doesnt work. Its weird. But anyways, as it seem to be a probleme between Inventor Frame generator and Nastran-In-cad, you can make a test easily with only one reused member, as a said in the last post. Or you could give me an email adress so i could send you the file.

 

Thank you

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David.Short.
Alumni
Alumni

HI @Anonymous,

 

I am seeing the same behaviour. Reused frames are not being meshed in Nastran In CAD. I have attached a zip file of the following model. 

Frame Gen.jpg

 

If you create all the frame members individually Nastran In CAD seems to work fine and mesh all the components.

 

All the best,

David


David Short
Technical Support Specialist, Simulation
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Anonymous
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Thank you for the reply... I know that if I use individual frame it is working! But the goal is to reused frame so I dont have different part number.for for the same part. I want to use this in a professionnal environnement were I won't give 4 time the same detail drawing to produce. Then I need to test the frame in nastran!

 

Whats the point of the reuse fonction then? It now seem a little bit useless...

 

Thank You!

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David.Short.
Alumni
Alumni

Hi @Anonymous,

 

I completely agree and understand your frustration. It should be possible to use the reuse function to generate a frame for Nastran In-CAD analysis however it seems that there is an issue here and the development team will be made aware.

 

I only stated that creating applying the frames individually is a workaround for the time being. Is it not possible to save the cross section and apply it to many elements in one operation?

 

All the best,

David


David Short
Technical Support Specialist, Simulation
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Anonymous
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Yes it is possible. But if two part have the same cross section and lenght, if you dont use the fonction reuse, two different part will be created and appear in the BOM.

 

Thank you

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David.Short.
Alumni
Alumni

Perhaps it is necessary for the Nastran solver to have them as separate parts.  If not then this is a defect. I will let you know!


David Short
Technical Support Specialist, Simulation
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Anonymous
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With taht logic a repetition of the same part in the same assembly, Nastran woudnt work? Even if its not in a frame assembly?

 

Thank you!

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ler3
Explorer
Explorer

I have this problem.  Frame generator gave two different length W8x40 beams the same name in the tree, W8x40:3.  Now Nastran will not mesh the second W8x40.  Using 2020.  So how do i fix the issue or rename.  Inventor will not let me simply change the tree name.  Will it be necessary to reconstruct the member each time and i have not even tried that yet?  Is there a simply fix? 

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ler3
Explorer
Explorer

OK it was easy enough to just delete the member and reinsert with frame generator.  It then made it W8x40:16.  Hope this gets fixed.  

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gusi_cl
Advocate
Advocate

This problem still remain in Inventor 2022. In a complex frame build with FG isn't a possible workaround to delete and insert all the reused member. Please develop a solution to recognize ALL FG members!

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We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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