Annotative Text across multiple drawings with different viewport scales

Annotative Text across multiple drawings with different viewport scales

coltcolt3825
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Annotative Text across multiple drawings with different viewport scales

coltcolt3825
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Hello,

 

I am struggling to understand the annotative text. At my work, in model space we always draw everything on a 1:1 scale. Throughout our drawings we have shelters that range from 10' x 12' to 20' x 12', to other drawings that are termination details for wiring. We have text on every drawing and as you can imagine our shelter's viewports are much smaller than our terminal's viewports.

To compensate for this, I use a variety of text sizes such as 1.5 on the shelter's viewports and .0794 on the terminal's viewports. I believe the annotative text would be my solution but I am not completely understanding how to utilize it.

I would like to use one text size across all drawings that prints out the same no matter the viewport scale. Is there a way to accomplish this? I don't believe this can be achieved since all the viewports vary across our drawings but I could be wrong.

 

Also, any links or a simple document with good step by steps are appreciated.

Thanks and look forward to the replies.

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Valentin_CAD
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@coltcolt3825 ,

 


@coltcolt3825 wrote:

Hello,

 

I am struggling to understand the annotative text.

...

Also, any links or a simple document with good step by steps are appreciated.

...


 

There are many resources on the internet - here are some examples:

 



Select the "Mark as Solution" if my post solves your issue or answers your question.

Seleccione "Marcar como solución" si mi publicación resuelve o responde a su pregunta.


Emilio Valentin

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pendean
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@coltcolt3825 wrote:

...I am struggling to understand the annotative text. At my work, in model space we always draw everything on a 1:1 scale.....


Do you use paperspace with viewports at all? Or do you only use modelspace for everything and for all of your plotting needs?

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coltcolt3825
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Sorry, forgot to mention; yes we use paper space for viewports and plotting. Model space for drawing only and it is a 1:1 scale.
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pendean
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@coltcolt3825 wrote:
Sorry, forgot to mention; yes we use paper space for viewports and plotting. Model space for drawing only and it is a 1:1 scale.

Good to know.

 

Annotative text is a simple concept that is all about plotting all of your text at the same exact height regardless of your layout viewports different scales. First you decide what text size you always want to see in your print-outs (PDF or paper): for example, we use the equivalent of 10-point high text in word-processing parlance, in AutoCAD that's 3/32" (Imperial "inches" units DWG files) or 2.4mm (Metric "millimeter" units DWG files).

 

What have you determined to be your ideal general-text letter height?

 

for it to all look good in AutoCAD, you must:

1) STYLE command setting for your one and only general-text style will look like this

pendean_0-1696361672048.png

 

2) all viewports in all layouts must be set to a plot scale.

 

3) in modelspace, if you annotate there, you need to ensure your CANNOSCALE setting always matches your intended viewport scale in the layout that element is going to be in.

 

4) with annotative text, you can just type in paperspace outside viewports and all of your text will be consistent with text inside your scale viewports.

 

There are lots of tutorials online for a deep dive into the topic, looks like some links from others are provided above.

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coltcolt3825
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Thanks for the feedback.
Typically I type all of my text within my model space. I have messed around with making my text annotative and I can see when I switch back to the layout tab that it will blow up or shrink my text depending upon my viewport scale.
I like using .125 or 1/8” scale for a lot of things. So that’s the number I would probably go with.

Question to your last comment though, are you saying I should type all of my text on the paper space rather than within the model space?
That would defeat the purpose of a lot of the majority of the blocks that I have created since a lot of them are dynamic and have different attributes for their states.
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pendean
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@coltcolt3825 wrote:
...are you saying I should type all of my text on the paper space rather than within the model space?...

Not at all, we annotate in modelspace only in our offices for example, but at the end of the day that is your choice if it helps you wrap your head around Annotative Text, there is no right or wrong way to do anything in AutoCAD, it's really all up to you.

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coltcolt3825
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Hello again. I have a couple of questions. I have been reading through the link posted above and following the steps.

 

https://www.autodesk.com/autodesk-university/class/Annotation-Scaling-AutoCAD-Bringing-Technology-Ho...

 

So I have used the CHSPACE command to determine what my actual text size is on paper space. For example on my shelter layouts, the text size in paper space is 0.0565 and in model space this size is 1.5.

I am drawing a 1:1 scale in model space and I have modified my text style to be annotative. 

 

The screenshot below shows my text being 1:1 since I typed it in model space but it does not automatically scale based on my viewport and I have the automatically add scales option selected.

 

coltcolt3825_1-1696435698995.png

 

Under the annotation scale in the properties menu, I see that I can add delete scales but since I always just zoom my paper space viewport to extents, that scale does not exist within the texts scale list. Is that an issue? 

I notice if I add the 1/8" scale, then the text definitely does become annotative and change based on my viewport zoom level.

 

The second screenshot is of my page setup, just for reference of my PDF settings.

 

coltcolt3825_2-1696436078268.png

 

 

 

 

 

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pendean
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@coltcolt3825 wrote:

The screenshot below shows my text being 1:1 since I typed it in model space but it does not automatically scale based on my viewport and I have the automatically add scales option selected.

 

coltcolt3825_1-1696435698995.png

 


Forgive me, but if you are only in MODEL how would AutoCAD know which portion of your modelspace content is in a viewport in a layout in your file? And why would it know which CANNOSCALE to set?

 

I'll tell you how you can simulate all of that though: go to your layout, double-click inside your viewport then start VPMAX command (VPMIN command to get back to the layout).

 

If you only ever want to work in MODELspace, and find the tip above too much to wrap your head around, then you yourself on your own ne deliberately need to change the CANNOSCALE from 1:1 to the plot scale that viewport in that layout needs to be. Then change it again for another portion of your MODEL content that is at another viewport-in-a-layout scale

pendean_0-1696437725532.png

 

 

 

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coltcolt3825
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Hello, sorry for the confusion. I print in my layout tab. The only thing located in the layout tab is my title block.

 

I meant I only draw and type text within the model tab; I never type or draw in the layout tab.

I am familiar with the mspace/pspace commands and understand your comment on switching between the two.

 

the screenshot below is the same drawing, in the layout tab, within the model space. 

 

coltcolt3825_0-1696438425364.png

 

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