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Adding spaces to Zone is really cool and useful feature in MEP discipline.
Why rooms doesn't have same functionality?
It could be really handy to add rooms in their own zone. For example combining rooms as apartment could be really useful. Now when need to define and calculate apartment areas in plans, need to do separate area plan for that. Spaces and Zone way of thinking with Rooms in architecture discipline could be that time saver and error blocker what we need to make our design process little bit more efficient.
I've not used zones & spaces so apologies if I'm barking up the wrong tree... but couldn't you use the department parameter for this? E.g. assign all rooms in a particular apartment (say, Apartment 2A), then schedule based on department 2A to calculate the total area?
Actually I'm aware about that way to get areas to schedule and for scheduling it works, but for plan views are totally different story. At the moment you need to use Area tool to get total areas to define e.g. apartment areas. But way how area works is little bit cumbersome.
That's why Space and Zone combination way of working for Rooms would be way more better 🙂
For residentials projects, we often need to display the total area of an apartment in a tag, directly on the plan view.
Currently, it's not possible to do that in Revit by using the calculated value of all the rooms of an apartment, since we cannot export this value in a tag. So we use Dynamo or the HVAC spaces and zones method, but both of these methods are not ideal (Dynamo need to be launched manually, and the HVAC methode "duplicates" the information).
It would be really helpful to have a "zone" fonction to group multiples rooms and tag the total area, the apartment name, etc.
If there was like a kind of "Zone" for Rooms, the Rooms Number could then be partly the Number of the Zone like 01.01. where the first "01." is the "Zone" number. We could even take it further and include Super-Zones for buildings and/or floors. so the Room number would be 01.01.01. with the First "01." as building number and the second "01." as Apartmentnumber/Zone number. The we could also get rid of crazy Room numbers like 735, which is really confusing and do dont give you any idea of where the Room actually is and in which Building or Apartment. Imagine room "735 Kitchen". Better is "01.01.01 Kitchen".
There was a similar topic already "Zones option to Rooms" but I want to repeat that. Why Rooms have no such functionality like Zones. We are working on Spaces and Zones so we cannot use Roombook to calculate materials etc.
You can create a schedule and add a Shared Parameter for Apartment, then select the Rooms as you like and fill in an apartment name / number in that parameter. This a clumsy workaround (like most of Revit TBH), but by making your own parameters you can have overlapping groups of elements, eg. Interior, Exterior, Common, Apartment #, Fire Zone, etc.
@ola6n4qrvdsr thanks for respond. I could group rooms by custom parameter but it's hard to tag the cumulative area of the apartment on the plan. I usually use schedules instead of tags as a workaround, but I have to put them on the sheet above the drawing instead of in the drawing. Creating and controlling such schedules is an extremely laborious process.
I create a separate room parameter called 'Unit No', and then select all rooms in your 'apartment' and give them the same Unit No info.
In addition to the standard room tags, I simply created a different type, showing both the room name and the Unit No, and simply used that tag in the hall or somewhere central in that apartment....if that makes sense. Works fine, and is great for when to group door schedules per apartment, etc.....
I think it would be nice to be able to natively combine the rooms into a unit. A similar tool exists in the HVAC where I can combine several Spaces into a Zone. Unfortunately, the zones have limited functionality (naming or adding their own parameters).
Yes good point - architecturally, in the past, we have unfortunately had to create separate area plans and overlay these views on top of the the GA's, something that is is often required especially early on in the feasibility stages of design, where the client needs overall areas etc...
So yes, another one of those 'add it to the list' for Autodesk....and it's already a very long list.
I think this could help with Life safety too. We currently have been using areas, but this also means that our Plumbing counts has to be manual. Areas don't seem to take any information from the rooms within them and there seems to be no way to connect the data. However, rooms also can't exclude furniture in them. I think spaces or zones might be helpfull tools if they were built to help with complex situations, organization and multifamily units, and life safety.
Yes, that small detail about the furniture is very important for the safety department. It would be nice if furniture elements could have the instance option to be space bounding (and maybe that limite line could be a hardcore system sub-category line defined in the family, and not something automatically random). And maybe the space could give us both areas at the same time in diferente parameters: space total area and space free area (without furniture).
