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More control over view placement on sheets

More control over view placement on sheets

Guide Grids are not the most easy to use and useful tool in Revit. It would be much better if view titles and views could snap to reference planes, or some other "non plot" element within a sheet border. I hate to say it, but AutoCAD does this better. Are you going to let AutoCAD be better than you, Revit?!

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tkendrick
Advocate
I agree completely! I just use that as a reference for existing tools and
functionality that can be implemented into Revit as core features, and not
having the add-ins.
  1. I love the concept of having the guide grids but I would love it if we are able to draw the guide grid ourselves. (for example: select it and you would have a contextual button called "edit grid"). I want to be able to sketch my own lines that I would use as references. That way I could for example sketch the outsides of the my building so it's intuitive for people where to paste the building on the sheet. I could also sketch a box where the view title should be etc. Very relevant is you have dozens of views of the same thing, and you don't want the views (and viewtitles) bouncing around when you scroll through the pdf.

  2. Please make some more objects available for snapping in the views. What with views with no reference planes or grids? Do we have to add reference planes just for aligning? Edges of walls, floors, ceilings and columns for example.

  3. Make it so the view title extension line can snap to the guidegrids. Not only the line itself but also the ends of it. Again, it would help to get consistent looks between different sheets.

There's a very interesting idea that might be worth voting up as well:

 

Copy sheet+viewport and change viewport after to another view

 

This would be a great solution to create a series of sheets that have to have the same layout (stories of a tower building, or different plantypes of the same floor (construction, rcp, ptd, finish, ...).

 

 

Anonymous
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@harlan_brumm@sasha.crotty Any update on this? Been under review for almost 2 years

Basam.Yousif
Advisor
OK. Now is time to do this, because I can argue this is one of the loudest calls for change in the history of Revit 🙂 Guide Grids kind of sort of work but it's time we made them work flawlessly. I have two scenarios for how this may work: 1. Use two point markers. One on a Guide Grid intersection, and the other in placed on the model view. (markers do not print of course - u already know that 🙂 ) 2. Use a scope box pre-placement method. Some how create a way to ghose-place a scope box on a title block. I prefer the first method, because it is universal, and can be made to work with legends as well. Both of these will lead to the automation of sheet assembly and save the users a lot of time, not to mention the frustration of how manual it is to assemble a sheet.
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Anonymous
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The guide grids just need to be like a drawing you can snap to. Not a grid, just let me make my own drawing. If anything, helps people draw a grid if they find it useful. The way guides are turned on an off works, it just need to be a customizable drawing that we can snap to.
Anonymous
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@ttourangeau you only speak the truth.

 

 

We use Rushforth project setup for sheet alignment. But this should be native in revit.

 

 

I typically go into the Arch model and make guide grids at gridline intersections. I collapse the guide grid down to just cross hairs. Then I use transfer project standards to get them into other discipline models. This beats copying detail lines model to model to align views. 

 

Problem is that if they move in the Arch model there is no copy/monitor. If transferred after moved they do not update location. They have to be deleted to update location. Please add option to overwrite location of TPS guid grid.

 

Better yet just add tool to place views with the same scope box in the same location on sheets.

 

 

Anonymous
Not applicable

FYI, another option is the Project Setup third party tool (or even the Parameter Transformer tool does it) that allows you to specify the x, and y coordinates of the viewports on all selected sheets, or copy the coordinates from the viewports of a linked model: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecZ-h6rQhw

Anonymous
Not applicable

Please check out the Ideate Software, IdeateApps Sheet and View tools.

Ideate SheetManager

Ideate Align

Ideate Clone

Ideate ViewCreator

 

All made possible by the wonderful Revit API!

lionel.kai
Advisor

One other way to enhance the existing functionality would be to allow the "<Family Type...>" parameter (at least in Titleblocks) to also have "Detail Groups" as a category.* That way we could just group the <Invisible lines> that are in the Titleblock and have a nice handy pull-down for an instance property (similar to Guide Grid, but something that's actually useful, though you'd have to select the Titleblock to access it).

 

Or allow lines in nested Generic Annotation families to be snapable in the project. Not sure if this would be easier to implement than the previous, but copy-pasting the TB lines into the GA family, and remembering to check the origin (since the OOTB Titleblocks, which most base their company standards on, don't have the bottom left at origin) would probably be more trouble than it's worth.

 

@harlan_brumm It seems you've missed the 2-year anniversary of the OP, but maybe you're waiting for the 2-year anniversary of the "Under Review" post instead? Smiley Tongue Just wondering if the status will ever change...

 

* As an aside, I find it funny that the "Select Category" dialog for "<Family Type...>" shows a ton of categories that can't ever exist in Titleblocks...

krzystoff
Advocate

This thread is getting very old already, how long does it normally take for 'UnderReview' to become 'Implemented'?

 

@Anonymous I think you have the right idea, Revit's Grids should be drawn like Reference Lines, not a primitive square grid, and they should be adjustable from the sheet, not merely a numeric spacing.  

Adobe InDesign's arrangement for setting out sheets, (click on the Ruler positions with the crosshairs and click to place a snapping Ruler Guide which is visible across the layouts but remains non-printable. The positions can be anywhere on the layout, with as many or as few guides as you need), is pretty much unbeatable as far as I've seen. 

The only other thing is that key elements like grids, within viewports as well as view crop boundaries and sheet text need to be alignable and snappable to the sheet grid.

tkendrick
Advocate
Depends on what it is and how important the devs deem it. I started using
Revit in 2012. And at that time, the multiple monitor support issue was
documented and asked for in multiple wishlist locations. And it remained a
top item for years. It was FINALLY implemented in 2019. So expect to see
this one around 2023.
chriswade
Collaborator

Why has this not yet been implemented? Seriously, this is something so basic that it should have been there from day one. Please get this in the next release.

Status changed to: Gathering Support

Hi, Purvi!

 

Congratulations! We are updating this thread to Gathering Support. We are continuing to evaluate where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision. 

 

The Factory

anielson
Advocate

Yes, make it possible to align viewports on sheets using lines that are inside the views. This would, for example, make it so much easier to line up finished floor across a row of details. 

purvigirwin
Advocate

@anielson you can put reference planes inside your drafting views and those can be aligned between different views on a sheet. I do this for all standard details that need to align

anielson
Advocate
Yes, but you don't have to do that in AutoCAD. I wish the extra step wasn't necessary.
eblackburnEFFVJ
Enthusiast

So Harlan Brunn changed the status of this to Under Review back on 7/1/2016, and Kimberly Furhman changed it to Gathering Support on 12/17/2020, yet the descriptions of the statuses is exactly the same.

 

The Guide Grids are rubbish without the ability to specify separate x and y axis spacing, or the ability to align any line or element edge to a grid line.

 

Ideally, I would build in a module system like that of the Uniform Drawing System with letters on the x axis and numbers on the y axis. The view numbering would then be based on the grid coordinate of the lower left corner of the drawing automatically, and not by the sequential system in place since version 1.

tkendrick
Advocate
I mean, it’s 5 years later. I’ve been using KiwiCodes Bonus Tools which has
excellent Sheet setup and alignment tools.
marcelludwig
Contributor

Just allow snaps to any categories, not only referenceplanes and grids

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