Grid Lines: Having the ability to control the top constraints

[allan.cantos]

It would be great to have additional control for grid lines similar to the mathline.

Looking at the Upper Level, it is not ideal to just select the grids and hide them manually.

Having the ability to set the Grid Line top constraints, like the one we have in matchline will avoid hiding the grid lines manually in the plan.

[Anonymous]

This would also help when using Radial grids. I've recently had to amend some radial grids in height as they did not extend to the full height of the building. Normally you would just use a scope box, but doing this with radial grids would also extend them on plan leaving you have to realign them all again!

[lionel.kai]

So basically just being able to set the top and bottom 3D extents by parameter (instead of just graphically). It would help to make it easier to set horizontal & vertical grids to the same extents - without having to eyeball it (or get a little OCD and create temporary Levels to snap to).

[Anonymous]

Assign a scope box to the levels?  Gets what you want in elevation.

[Anonymous]

This sounds as simple as adjusting the 3d extents of the gridlines to below the level you do not want them visible in. Am I missing something here?? Is it just having the property available to the user in the properties dialog box and to be able to adjust from plan?

[allan.cantos]

@Anonymous I am not after what you'll see in elevation. I am after with what you can see in the plan. If there is only a way to control the top constraint of the grid line, similar to the matchline, it will avoid hiding the grid line manually for every single view.

@Anonymous if there is only the parameter to control this in the properties dialog box,  I wouldn't be submitting this idea. If you find the simplest way to do it, please share.

[Anonymous]

If the 3d extents does not extend past the top of the level it will not show in the floor plan. You can adjust the 3d extents in a section (uncrop it). Grab the 3d bubble and drag it down below the level you don't want it to appear on.

[lionel.kai]

@allan.cantos You know you can adjust the 3D extents of Grids, right?

What's confusing is that you keep mentioning having to "hide grids manually"...

I thought you just wanted a way to control the 3D extents with parameters, instead of having to use an elevation to control the 3D extents graphically:

Video: Control Visibility Datums

(too bad the video doesn't also show unlocking the 3D extents of a single grid before adjusting it...)

I still like the idea of having parameters to control 3D extents (IN ADDITION to graphically). 🙂

[Anonymous]

@lionel.kai yup. I like the idea of being able to adjust the datum from the floor plan view as well. 

[allan.cantos]

@lionel.kai ...oh, I know what you mean but by doing this, you need to create a section that is perpendicular to the grid lines and adjust manually the 3D extents which, I don't think not a good workflow as this creates additional work. 

Still, I like the idea of incorporating a parameter to avoid more work of adjusting manually the grid 3D extents.

[lionel.kai]

@allan.cantos  Yes, I agree. I was just starting to wonder if you knew how to do it.

[Anonymous]

Great Idea but now that your idea has some clarity to it... the underlying feature is not deficient. The 3d extents of the gridlines have to be modified one time during setup. In some cases, being able to do the same function in two different locations is not always a good thing (think of new users). This is a nice to have but there are other true deficiencies in Revit that need the attention of Autodesk over this one.

[Anonymous]

@allan.cantos  Having to open a view range window and set level options one by one seems like that would take longer instead of just dragging a grid extent in an elevation...

[lionel.kai]

@Anonymous Not a view range window - properties (which are accessible when all are selected).

[allan.cantos]

@lionel.kai agree you can just select all the grid lines and set the top constraint in the property and you're done.

@Anonymous "The 3d extents of the gridlines have to be modified one time during setup" - how would you do it, manually set the 3d extents of the grid lines to a certain level so it won't appear to the next level (see grid line E47 in my previous post)? Doing some work manually is the idea that I'm trying to avoid here which can be achieved quickly by adding just a single parameter to the grid line properties.

[lionel.kai]

@allan.cantos I think we're starting to beat a dead horse here, but I assume when you say "manually" you mean "graphically", since either way it's done, it's still "manual" (since Revit doesn't automatically determine where you want each grid to stop)? There's no way to avoid "doing some work manually", unless Revit gets smart enough to think for itself...

Also of note, while I'm doing the "manual" setup of Grid extents, I'm using elevations anyway (so the Grids look nice by default). BTW, we don't usually stop them EXACTLY on the Level (since that would look strange), but with an offset. Now, with this idea, we could just use ONE elevation view (instead of 2 or more), but I'd still use an elevation view at some point to VERIFY what it looked like (though maybe would do rough vertical extents while selecting them in plan, and maybe would settle on a standard offset - like 4' or 6' - to start with).

[allan.cantos]

@lionel.kai how do you adjust the extent of a grid when you have radial grids as in the first post? The only way you can do this, correct me if I'm wrong, is to create a section to each individual grid lines and adjust the 3D extent down to a certain level.

This is just an idea to automate things rather than spending some time adding the sections and adjust the 3D extents graphical representation manually. When I say manually, you'll create a section then you need to select the grid at section or elevation view, then modify the grid by draging its view specific extent.

How easy it is, do you think, if by looking at plan, you know which grids stops at a certain level (with an offset above that level obviously), to just select all the grids and assign a top constraints and an offset from that level?

I would agree with the offset, by the way, from level. We don't normally stop our grid lines exactly at the level. This offset can be part of the grid line parameter similar to the "Matchline" parameters from my original post.