Give priority to MEP Content in front of of Arch/Struct Links

[hmunsell]

It was pointed out to me by one of my Mechanical Engineers this morning that the Mechanical equipment Behind Walls is showing in their sections.  I know patterns we can turn off in the V/G Overrides by hiding the surface patterns of the category.

In this image there is a Architectural and a Structural link. The Architectural and Structural content should be  blocking the Air Handling Unit and behind the wall though. If I'm missing a setting or something please let me know 😊.

There are a couple different Hacks, like setting the view to Coordination, but then you have to apply a bunch of overrides you wouldn't have to if it was kept as Mechanical. Also, when set to Coordination, you loos your "MEP Settings" settings (Hidden Lines, Gaps, etc...).

I posted about something similar to this in 2020 too.... 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/visibility-of-architectural-surface-patterns-when-view-is...

[Anonymous]

Agreed

[dtiemeyer]

I would like to add that they expose the controls that force these behaviors, so that we can make them work as we desire.

[stevecrotty]

@hmunsell 

Hello, thank you for your post. This is very enlightening. So to clarify, you do not want the standard display for all MEP views where all other disciplines are displayed in underlay (halftone and transparent) in some cases. Is it just some or all cases? 

What you describe is be design.

So you are requesting to control when to use this display option view by view or globally for a discipline?

Could you revise the title and have it state specifically the change you want instead of 

-fix display issues-? This will clarify it is a request and help others find and support it. Right now when searching it reads like a bug report on a specific case and not a feature request. This is for equipment behind walls not showing up (have you tried far clip of the view as a workaround by the way? if you but it right behind the wall, things beyond will not display)

Part 2 - There are 2 requests here and it might be good to separate them or at least call them out as issue 1 and 2. The second change is for the underlay elements (Structure and Architectural) to not show through model (MEP) elements. This is standard underlay behavior so that is what we get here. So this is a bit different but connected because it builds on the other issue. There should be a "show other disciplines as" option and the display of that should not be standard underlay, but a dedicated display style including the refinement you state here.
Does this make sense?

[hmunsell]

"you do not want the standard display for all MEP views where all other disciplines are displayed in underlay (halftone and transparent) in some cases. Is it just some or all cases? "

• I do not want all the A & S disciplines to show thru my MEP content. 
• I would want my MEP Content to hide the A & S content based on view depth
  • If my Duct/Pipe/Equipment is in front of a structural beam I want the duct to hide the beam
  • Likewise I want the A & S content to hide the MEP content based on view depth
    • if a wall is in front of Duct or Equipment, I shouldn't see the duct or equipment behind the wall.
  • if the Arch has patterns on there walls, I want my MEP content to hid the patterns
• I would also want that A & S content to be able to be displayed as Hidden when needed
  • if my Equipment is in front (or behind) of a structural beam or wall I want to be able to display that has hidden based on view depth. 

"So you are requesting to control when to use this display option view by view or globally for a discipline?"

• I would want it set that way globally.  I cant think of any reason I would want it otherwise.
  • I would want the  A & S content to be able to be displayed as Hidden when needed

[hmunsell]

ironically they were separate. kimberly.fuhrman(Autodesk) combined them earlier this week. 

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[stevecrotty]

Ok. I will loo into that. Anyway your title is better. I might add "in mechanical discipline views". FYI I was double checking and it is everything in the Arch or structural underlay that come through. The surface pattern is just an example. In this image notice doors in the Arch model display through MEP objects. Also it is not just links, walls in the same model with the MEP objects have the same behavior with no RVT links involved.

[hmunsell]

Correct, if the door is behind the duct in the view direction, I should not see it thru the duct.  As an example, set that view to Coordination and that should be how it looks. The Arch content should still be underlaid and halftone, but I should not see Thru the MEP objects. 

This view is set to Discipline Mechanical. 

"Should" look like this...

• using the MEP Settings > Mechanical Settings > Hidden Line settings shown above
• and an option to show the A & S content behind as hidden.
  • maybe also to show MEP content behind the wall as hidden.

• the same would apply to Plan and Elevation views as well.....