Revit LT - Linked Rooms & Tags

[harryNR27R]

I have stumbled upon a major (artificial) limitation regarding links limiting my firm's workflow on a project. I understand that in this "lite" version of Revit, we do not have access to specific link visibility settings in the VG.

However, my question comes to room tags: Is there a work around to force linked room tags to appear in a parent model in Revit LT? Is there a way to "autotag" all rooms in a project- even if the rooms exist in links? What workflows can be used to create room tags for, say, 10 linked four story townhomes that are the same?

In our project, we are currently working with duplicate townhome linked models. So far, we are able to populate our schedules with the room information from the linked models, but we would also like to see the room tags carry over. Having to go back and replace all room tags within the parent model floor plans seems like such a waste of time- especially when considering this type of functionality is supposed to be advantageous over Autocad when it comes to duplicate floor plans.

If no adequate workflow is found, I may post this to the Ideas forum to ask for this functionality.

[barthbradley]

Set the Link to By Linked View in VGOs of the Parent View. Obviously, the Link View you'll pick is the one that shows Rooms.  

Help | Display a Linked Model by Linked View | Autodesk

[harryNR27R]

Revit LT specifically does not have this capability, as per my question.

[pendean]

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@harryNR27R wrote:

...Is there a work around to force linked room tags to appear in a parent model in Revit LT?...

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Sadly, no. If you need this ability then REVIT, not RevitLT, is your next subscription with Autodesk.

[harryNR27R · Accepted solution]

Coming back to this in the morning, I realized we have the Tag All command.

Even though this dialog includes the option "Include elements from linked files", it will not tag rooms from linked files (including untagged rooms in the linked model). I interpret this option to mean that the command will "see" the room elements in the linked model and tag them in this view. Of course this is not the case, and will only tag live rooms in the parent model, disregarding my interpretation of the option.

However, using the two below articles, links need to be have their Phase Mapping correct, the view needs to be set to coordination, and the view needs to be uncropped. I believe this "Include elements from linked files" needs to be greyed out until these conditions, at least for the active view, are met.

Although this solves my question and using the above process/below forum posts allows me to tag all linked room in view, I am not entirely satisfied with this workaround. I'll leave this up for additional comment before accepting this as a solution, but I think I will still take this subject to the ideas forum.

Elements in linked model are not tagged when using Tag All in Revit

Tag All command does not work with Linked Model set to Underlay in Revit

[harryNR27R]

I am skeptical this functionality is worth a $2,500 price increase, especially when considering that we only are an architectural firm that doesn't need structural/MEP functionality. 

Restrictions on any data management items makes me rethink a Revit LT subscription entirely. The more I use Revit LT, the less advantageous it becomes over a single Autocad LT subscription. 

[RSomppi]

In order to tag rooms in a linked view, the link needs Room Bounding turned on.

I didn’t see it mentioned. Have you checked that?

[RSomppi]

Tag All does work with linked models.

View discipline does not need to be set to coordination.

Reference type does not need to be Attachment.

Room Bounding does not need to be turned on.

You've got something else preventing your room tags from showing. Phasing is the first thing that comes to mind, if you're still interested in a solution.

[RSomppi]

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@harryNR27R wrote:

Even though this dialog includes the option "Include elements from linked files", it will not tag rooms from linked files (including untagged rooms in the linked model). I interpret this option to mean that the command will "see" the room elements in the linked model and tag them in this view. Of course this is not the case, and will only tag live rooms in the parent model, disregarding my interpretation of the option.

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Your interpretation is correct. It's not an "artificial limitation" that you are experiencing. Rooms in linked models can be tagged.

Do you still need help figuring out why it isn't working for you?

[harryNR27R]

Indeed, my question has been answered with the marked solution. However, to clarify, this is only a workaround to the artificial limitation of Revit LT having no visibility settings for links. Therefore it is impossible to show existing, linked, tag annotations in a parent project. To be clear, both rooms, and tags, exist in the linked model. 

Tag All does work with linked models.

View discipline does not need to be set to coordination.

Reference type does not need to be Attachment.

Room Bounding does not need to be turned on.

To respond to the above, following my previously posted links brought me to the conclusion that one of the above conditions was the issue. Phasing is not a concern and does not have an impact, as it is all new construction. I'll test to see which specific option is causing the error.

The goal of this post originally was to find a solution to prevent repeat work, i.e. replacing tags in the parent model for links that have already been tagged. Therefore, if there are any other solutions to prevent this repeat work in this scenario, feel free to add. Otherwise, replacing all tags with the Tag All command is my current workaround.

[barthbradley]

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@harryNR27R wrote:

... links need to be set to Attachment...

Changing a Linked Project to Attachment in the Parent Project has zero effect on ANYTHING in the Parent Project, much less Link Room Tag display.   

The issue you are having is likely due to the Link's Phase Mapping being out of whack.  Easy fix.  

[RSomppi]

You are entitled to you opinion but what you are calling a workaround is the preferred workflow for many places. Using someone elses tags has never worked well for me. I'm not saying it's not a valid workflow, I'm just aying that other people's tags were hardly ever a viable option for me.

You can call it an artificial limitation if you want but you did buy a limited version of the software. All the limitations are deliberate. You also had the option to fully expore those limitations before purchasing it. 

You asked a number of questions and stated some incorrect conclusions. I was only trying to help with some of that.

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@harryNR27R wrote:

replacing all tags with the Tag All command is my current workaround.

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You never stated that you got it working. In fact, you said that it was one of those limitations. Did you ever get it to work?

[harryNR27R]

@RSomppi @barthbradley 

I have edited my reply to clarify that Tagging All worked and I removed and replaced the mention of attachment to Phase Mapping.

However, after testing just now, and according to the official Autodesk Support pages linked previously, the view will still need to be uncropped and the view discipline may need to be changed to coordination for the command to work.

[RSomppi]

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@harryNR27R wrote:

@RSomppi @barthbradley 

I have edited my reply to clarify that Tagging All worked.

However, after testing just now, and according to the official Autodesk Support pages linked previously, the view will still need to be uncropped and the view discipline may need to be changed to coordination for the command to work.

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Does it work or not? Your post contradicts itself.

In my test, the discipline did not need to be coordination. If you don't get to actually run a test, I will check on the cropped view thingy but I don't think that is true either.

[harryNR27R]

Tagging all works on the condition that the view is uncropped and the discipline needs to be set. In this thread, a workflow for Revit LT to provide linked roomtags was found, and a list of troubleshooting steps for "Tag All" from Autodesk support and other posters has been provided in the solution. I feel as this discussion has run its course.

Elements in linked model are not tagged when using Tag All in Revit
Tag All command does not work with Linked Model set to Underlay in Revit

[RSomppi]

My findings are different from your facts. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. I don't thiink I can help you.

Good luck.