Lineweight, ends, and random dots

[lee.imbimbo86EM4]

I'm trying to get my drawings to be much cleaner, and setup my templates better, but I keep having these problems that impede that ability.  The follow issues consistently elude me.

First, there is the issue of interior lineweights on walls or other multi-layerd components line ceilings.  There appears to be no rhyme or reason as to when it does apply a thinner lineweight to the interior components of a wall, or doesn't.  I'm just as likely that it makes the interior components thin, or bold.  and I don't know what category controls this.  I almost always end up having to use the manual lines overwrite to correct it, and while I suspect I'll always have to do a little clean up, I'd like to start getting my templates to do some more heavy lifting for me.

Second, is these random vertical elements that just generate random dots in my drawings.  I get this most commonly when I have sweeps in the section, but it seems determined to make these components and it drives me nuts.  Most of the time they aren't selectable and I can't get rid of them.  They look stupid and I think poorly made.

Last, is line type ends.  I almost always would prefer nice clean squared off ends to my linetypes, but the default appears to be rounded ends that more often than not poorly overlap other lines and make for sloopy drafting.  Any suggestions on how to modify these?

I've attached a picture that has all three of these conditions in it.  The one labeled Bold I've already manually updated, but it was the same lineweight as the perimeter lines, even though literally the brick wall right next to it had a much lighter lineweight between the brick veneer and interior air gap.

[barthbradley]

Are you cutting through some "very thick" model lines.  That could explain the dots.  Analytical Nodes might be another explanation.  

[lee.imbimbo86EM4]

I tried just turning off the analytical nodes and got nothing.  What you're looking at there is a simple Wall Sweep for a Vertical Brick Pattern that wraps my openings.  But those dots appear more often than not.  but yes they do appear to be that for whatever reason Revit is over-emphasizing my vertical line elements in a Plan Projection, when it should basically ignore them.

[barthbradley]

Honestly my man, if I were to zoom in that tight on anything, it would probably look just as disturbing.  

...broken strand of hair under a microscope:

Pretty disgusting; huh? 😉

[lee.imbimbo86EM4]

It isn't necessarily that big of an issue when I'm looking at a Floor Plan, but Details become hyper annoying.  I have on many occasions just out and out given up and redrawn the detail using a drafting view and linework, rather than relying on a well modelled call-out for example.

[barthbradley]

View Scale. 

[lee.imbimbo86EM4]

The Floor Plan in this case is 1/8" Scale, the Blow Up Details though would probably be 1-1/2" or 3" scale.  So I'm less worried about the dots on the Floor Plan, although they have created some issues in the past.  But mainly I just don't know why it is the Revit bothers to render them and then not give me any ability to get rid of them.  In this case it isn't letting me even select them and turn them invisible.

That being said, on occasion I've been able to select the dot and turn them invisible.  But really the model shouldn't be rendering them at all.

[barthbradley]

I think you missed the point.  Light weights are governed by View Scale -- not by zoom factor.  

[lee.imbimbo86EM4]

I mean the line weights are established for this view scale if that is what you're getting at?  Not really sure how it applies?

[barthbradley]

[lucdoucet_msdl]

@lee.imbimbo86EM4 

First, there is the issue of interior lineweights on walls or other multi-layerd components line ceilings.  There appears to be no rhyme or reason as to when it does apply a thinner lineweight to the interior components of a wall, or doesn't.  I'm just as likely that it makes the interior components thin, or bold.  and I don't know what category controls this.  I almost always end up having to use the manual lines overwrite to correct it, and while I suspect I'll always have to do a little clean up, I'd like to start getting my templates to do some more heavy lifting for me.

The line weights for the wall layers, those lines defined by the walls structure, are controlled by the Override Cut Line Style and in the bottom right corner of the visibility graphics window. This is described in the About Overriding Host Layers help reference.

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Second, is these random vertical elements that just generate random dots in my drawings.  I get this most commonly when I have sweeps in the section, but it seems determined to make these components and it drives me nuts.  Most of the time they aren't selectable and I can't get rid of them.  They look stupid and I think poorly made.

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Your screen capture also shows what I assume to be a fill pattern to illustrate wall studs. Is it possible that the dots are an artifact from this fill pattern?

If it is a wall profile generating the dots, does the dot pattern disappear when you remove the wall profile? Hard to say with out posting the wall family in a test file.

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Last, is line type ends.  I almost always would prefer nice clean squared off ends to my linetypes, but the default appears to be rounded ends that more often than not poorly overlap other lines and make for sloopy drafting.  Any suggestions on how to modify these?

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That is unfortunately a built-in limitation of the software. But as any old-timer who used to draft with technical pens or mechanical pencils would point out, rounded corners were the default way to join two lines if you didn't cross your lines. Don't agree, then up-vote the Revit ideas post here: Line end style (2d)

Hope this helps,

-luc

[RobDraw]

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@lee.imbimbo86EM4 wrote:

Last, is line type ends.  I almost always would prefer nice clean squared off ends to my linetypes, but the default appears to be rounded ends that more often than not poorly overlap other lines and make for sloopy drafting.  Any suggestions on how to modify these?

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There isn't anything you can do about the ends of lines. They are going to print rounded.

If this is a major issue for you that happens frequently as it sounds from our description, you will need to adjust your lineweights to minimize the difference. This is nothing new and should have been accounted for when the standards for the lineweights were set-up.

[ToanDN]

The dots are because you manually apply a thinner lineweight over thick
lines using linework tool.

[lee.imbimbo86EM4]

DOTS - Thank you ToanDN, CONCLUSION

Well, while not the solution I was hoping for, it definitely worked in terms of reversing my lineweight strategy.  Curious that it is more practical to assign the lighter lineweight as the default then bump it up as needed, rather than go in the reverse.

Not a perfect solution, but it definitely resolved my "DOT" problem.

LINE ENDS - CONCLUSION

In response to the line ends always being rounded, I knew that the older line ends were that way.  I guess I was hoping that by 2021's release they would've added functionality to control the line ends.  well maybe we'll get it before I retire, along with quality word document text editing.

[PhilvK]

@ToanDN - I'm getting the dots at line endpoints on linework set by the Phase Graphic Override.

[auburn]

I just added my vote to the ideas page! The original idea goes back to 2016 so....not holding my breath for it

[auburn]

Thanks for sharing! I just voted for line end types, fingers crossed!