Is it possible to NOT SHOW an Opening in the model?

[pipapongo0909]

Hi Forum,

On one project we have a Workflow with BCF (by BIM collab) to notify the ARCH, STRUCT, or MEP Team concerning the desired Openings in the walls and floors.

We ( STRUCTURAL) woulf like to include the number of the BCF into the instance family of the actual opening to have the possibility to find the BCF for an opening. The BCF only gives you the possibility to go to the model element from the BCF and not vice versa.

the workflow would be the following:

• as soon as we get new BCFs we will create our Opening in the model which has the parameter "structurally approved ( DEFAULT = NO)".
• Add the number of the BCF for this Opening proposal/demand to the family instance
• When the calculation has been done the "structurally approved" parameter will be set to "YES"

this works so far, here comes the question:

We deliver every week the current status of our model and we do not want to deliver Openings in the model where the "structurally approved" parameter is set to "NO".

Is there a way i could NOT SHOW this Openings, but the complete wall/floor instead?

I have tried with phases but i didn't get it to work.

does anybody have idea?

thanks a lot

[ToanDN]

What did you create the Openings with?

[pipapongo0909]

Hi @ToanDN,

thanks for the answer,

its a generic model - wall based.

This was on purpose to attach a vertical model line to the family where we can modify then length in order to cut the cut plane of view range that it ( and its annotation item) show up in a plan view.

i could load it up if you need more detail information?

Someone told me to create it as a generic model - face based to be more flexible, but i do not get it configured that it automatically takes the thickness of the host ( in this case the wall) so in this case i would have manually set the thickness manually. So i would like to stick to face based.

[ToanDN]

Let's save what types of host to be used in the family for a later time. Now, why did you say using phasing to differentiate between approved and not yet approved openings wasn't working. For me, it should work. Put the approved openings under the current phase, and the not yet approved openings under a future phase. Was it what you did?

[pipapongo0909]

ohhhhh I guess i know what i was doing wrong!!

Let me quickly try something, i get back to you

[pipapongo0909]

Hi @ToanDN,

you are right!! I did the opposite: i created a phase before the New Construction so it did not show the Opening family but the Hole in the wall was present!

I am still confused how to set it up....

The project has New Construction Only so i would setup the following phases:

• New Construction
• Structurally Not Approved
• Structurally Approved

this would imply that in the Structurally Approved -phase also the other holes would show up

so i guess i would need to turn it around??

• New Construction
• Structurally Approved
• Structurally Not Approved

As soon as the calculation is done it will be set to the previous phase  ( from Structurally Not Approved to Structurally Approved)

in other words: the not Approved phase is a phase we will never get to but the goal is to get all elements into the one before

Could this work? Or did i get it wrong?

thanks again for the help

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

You are close to the solution, but you are a little bit confused about the phases.

Your setup with: 

• New Construction
• Structurally Not Approved
• Structurally Approved

Would work perfectly, all you have to do is setup your View Properties to have the relevant holes displayed correctly.

For instance:

Lets say you have a wall, with two holes in it. Hole (A) is Structurally Not Approved and hole (B) is Structurally Approved.

Your wall will have:

Phase Created: New Construction

Phase Demolished: None

Your Hole (A) will have:
Phase Created: Structurally Not Approved

Phase Demolished: Structurally Approved

Your hole (B) will have:

Phase Created: Structurally Approved

Phase Demolished: None

Now it's time to setup your views:

Phase Filter: Show Complete
Phase: New Construction

- Will show only the wall.

Phase Filter: Show Complete
Phase: Structurally Approved

- Will show only Structurally Approved holes (since we are demolishing Structurally Not Approved holes in phase Structurally Approved.

Phase Filter: Show All

Phase: Structurally Approved
- Will show both holes in the wall.

There are multiple other ways to set this up, and maybe ways that will fit what you are trying to do better. This is just to explain how youc an work with phases and phase filters.

[pipapongo0909]

Hi @Anonymous,

Thanks for the example, i was almost there but i was already worried about the Workflow if i will need other phases for other components. what i did not think of was to set a phase demolished aswell for the holes.

As long as the walls are not approved they will stay in the "not approved" phase for creation and demolished phase.  When they are approved i will "move" them to the approved phase.

this way i could have other phases without interference 🙂

thanks a lot