How to join concrete beam and floor in sections?

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A clay block wall, through it goes reinforced concrete beam. Floor is a hollow block floor with 5cm thick layer of reinforced concrete poured over the blocks. That floor concrete slab and concrete beam next to it should be represented as a single "unit".

I can't figure out how to do this in Revit in sections.

This is how it should look:

And this is the best I could get it with Join tool, but it's still very weird looking because no one in my country draws it like that. Linework doesn't work.

Any way to improve this section?

Attached file with above example.

[syman2000]

You can try cut style override. In there you can change the structure to thicker outline.

[barthbradley]

I think you've got way bigger problems with how it "looks".   

You might what to read this as well:

About Applying a Function to a Layer of a Compound Structure | Revit Products 2016 | Autodesk Knowle...

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

Notwithstanding of your Cut Line Weights, I think this is the correct Join Order. If you really want the Beam and the Structural Layer of the Floor to join seamlessly, like you are showing in your screenshot, then you need to also make their Materials the same (in addition to changing Layer Function/Priorities) .

I changed both of them to your "Concrete, Cast-in-Place - C25" Material for this screenshot:  

More info here about Join Geometry: 

Join Geometry | Revit Products 2018 | Autodesk Knowledge Network

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@barthbradley wrote:

I think you've got way bigger problems with how it "looks".   

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I know, and yes, and no. That "Air" layer should be clay blocks, but Revit has absolutely nothing even remotely similar to them. Not even for walls, which is incredible (not in a good way).

I know I can create any material, but I have no idea what to input in Physical and Thermal tabs, so for now I just stuck "Air" in there. I can rename it to clay block, but I'm not sure if it actually makes any difference. If you look at my wall in this example I did just that, I duplicated masonry ones to clay and just left everything else as is, which I'm guessing is pretty wrong.

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Notwithstanding of your Cut Line Weights, I think this is the correct Join Order. If you really want the Beam and the Structural Layer of the Floor to join seamlessly, like you are showing in your screenshot, then you need to also make their Materials the same (in addition to changing Layer Function/Priorities) .

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You're right! Missed that my materials are not the same. Also, beam and wall should be those that join, not beam and floor, which is what I've been trying to do.

Any idea if line thickness can be automatically set properly? I tried V/G override, Override Graphics in view and Cut style override as other poster suggested, but nothing works because beam is now joined to the wall. I can get it with linework, but if manual clicks can be avoided that'd be great, at least for the beam.

Before linework:

After linework:

[martijn_pater]

Why not split the wall? And you could use void cut on the floor to represent the clay blocks in section, or try something with structural decking but that doesn't really get you there imho, or perhaps as or in combination with some structural framing family. Or some combination of the above all depending on what you're after, LOD wise.

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@martijn_pater wrote:

Why not split the wall?

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You mean one wall from level 1 up to the beam, then beam, then another wall from top of the beam to next level i.e. beam... Then unlock exterior layers on the lowest wall and drag them all the way up.

This seems like a lot of extra work and leaves me with the issue of interior finish layer which only goes up to the beam. This is a problem when the beam height is not the same as the floor thickness, leaving much of it exposed, and in turn having inaccurate material takeoff.

I could unlock interior finish and drag that up also, but doing that for every single room in an entire object could get tricky. Not to mention a waste of time.

Or did I completely misunderstood you?

[hmunsell]

• you can edit the wall type and select the Edit option for Structure.
• turn on the preview and se it to Section
• pick the Modify option
• pick the wall surface you want to be able to extend and unlock it.

you should then be able to extend that surface in the section.

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@hmunsell wrote:

• you can edit the wall type and select the Edit option for Structure.

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I could unlock interior finish and drag that up also, but doing that for every single room in an entire object could get tricky. Not to mention a waste of time.

[B.Fetzer]

Hi,

don't use "Beam", use "Floor Slap", (same material for both, slap and ceiling cover layer)

In the Properties of the floor change the function of both Layers to "Structur[1]",

Join Wall and Slap,

Change Object Style Floors -
--Common Edges Line Weight Cut to 4

--Slab Edges Line Weight Projection & Cut to 4

Kind regards, Bernhard

[martijn_pater]

...you hadn't mentioned any interior finish layer you know, your question was only regarding the floor/beam join which was answered I suppose... Could you share the wall/beam/floor in a model as you have them set up to have a look? edit: actually what you could do is add a void to the beam family, copy/paste the beam geometry in place ie and set it to void, then load back into project and cut it with the wall.

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@B.Fetzer wrote:

Hi,

don't use "Beam", use "Floor Slap", (same material for both, slap and ceiling cover layer)

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This is a very elegant solution (Floor slab edge), but as far as I can tell there is no way to separate them in material takeoff, and in my country everything has to be separated in bill of quantities (1st floor: columns, walls, beams, lintels...; 2nd floor: columns, walls, beams, lintels...; 3rd floor: columns, walls, beams, lintels...).

Anyhow, I'm calling it solved with barthbradley solution. Thanks everyone!