How to add a very small filled region or dot to a tag family?

[Pshupe]

I'm creating an electrical tag family that has a dot in the center but Revit won't allow me to make a filled region smaller than 1.6mm in diameter.  See image attached.  How do I add a small dot, like a leader dot, to my tag family?  Nested generic annotation?  How can I nest a dot?  Thank you in advance.

Regards Peter.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

Perhaps use a special character symbol.

[RDAOU]

@Pshupe 

How much small are you aiming for exactly?? .... Here it seems 0.5mm Diameter looks doable

Edit: Or Even smaller 

But then that would technically be the size of a period!!!

[barthbradley]

Is it an Annotative Family?  Then 1.6mm is 1:1.  Have you considered Line Weight?  Even if you could make it happen, it would all be for nothing when Thin Lines was turned off and it was Printed.  

[Pshupe]

That worked thanks.  Now one other thing.  I created the 4 sides, top, bottom, left ,and right with instance yes/no for visibility but it doesn't seem to work for tags.  Is there a way to do that in one family, instead of having 4 separate tags for different orientations?   I need to uncheck the visibilty of 3 of the 4 labels and lines so they look like this - 

Regards Peter.

[RDAOU]

@Pshupe 

No there isn't ... you need 4 tag types

But again that might not be what you are asking about!! Though the Op was on Filled Regions with extra small diameters <1mm but it turned out to be about special characters lol

[Pshupe]

Small diameter wasn't working, so went with first suggestion.  Special character.  Should I start another post?  It's too bad the tags can't have a visibility yes/no like other families.  That would solve my issue.  Seems a little crazy to have to have 4 separate tags, no?

Regards Peter.

[Pshupe]

It's a tag.  The smallest diameter circle or filled region I can make is 1.6mm  AFAIK turning on thin lines is only graphical in the view and will not print with thin lines.

Regards Peter.

[barthbradley]

Not 4 separate Tag families.  4 Family Types in one Family.  

[Pshupe]

It only works if you create a parameter for the diameter.  If you try to draw a circle either from line or filled region the smallest diameter you can create is 1.6mm, which was too large.  Not sure why you would have to create a parameter to get a smaller diameter, but there it is!

Regards Peter.

[barthbradley]

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@Pshupe wrote:

It's a tag.  The smallest diameter circle or filled region I can make is 1.6mm  AFAIK turning on thin lines is only graphical in the view and will not print with thin lines.

Regards Peter.

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My point was the Line Weight of the Filled Region boundary line - even Invisible - will have a thickness. What's your #1 Pen Weight?  Add that to your 1.6mm diameter.  Get it?      

[RDAOU]

@Pshupe 

As long as you can have a diameter as small as 0.1mm why would Adding parameter vs No parameter be of any issue???!!! 

And no you do not need a new post...instance visibility parameters do not work in tag families .. . you need 4 Types of the same tag (refer to previous reply)

[Pshupe]

Yes I get it.  I'm trying to match the size of an existing CAD block.  So making the dot 5x the size doesn't work.  1.6mm is not even close to a dot regardless of how thick the line is.  Here's how it looks.

It's a moot point as I can do it with a symbol or even with adding a dimension parameter to get the correct size.  Now if I didn't have to make 4 tags for different orientations I would have this nailed and could move on.

Regards Peter.

[Pshupe]

I already saw that, tested it, and commented that it worked in my last post.  Thanks for that.  I'll definitely keep that in mind for the future.  As I mentioned, why would I have to add a dimension parameter to be able to draw the filled region smaller than 1.6mm?  I doubt I'll make 4 tags.  I might just design a tag that will work in any orientation.

Maybe I'll add a dot to the leader for this tag.  That may work.  Thanks.

Cheers Peter.

[RDAOU]

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@Pshupe 

Yeah...Edit Tag Type and change Arrowhead type... If you need a smaller dot, you will have to create a new arrowhead under Ribbon>>>Manage >>> Additional Settings

your original question was How not Why. For the why you need a separate post... you already asked 3 in this one, 4 would be way past the Quota 😆

[Pshupe]

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[barthbradley]

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@Pshupe wrote:

 Here's how it looks.

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Looks good in this screenshot of 3 side-by-side electrical fixtures.  Boy, that "period" really stands out.   How does it show up in a typical plan view? 

 

😉

[ToanDN]

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@Pshupe wrote:

That worked thanks.  Now one other thing.  I created the 4 sides, top, bottom, left ,and right with instance yes/no for visibility but it doesn't seem to work for tags.  Is there a way to do that in one family, instead of having 4 separate tags for different orientations?   I need to uncheck the visibilty of 3 of the 4 labels and lines so they look like this - 

Regards Peter.

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Is the orientation driven by a parameter of the host?  If so, there may be a way to do with a single tag type.  

[Pshupe]

The orientation has been changed by using two different tags.  Not what I wanted to do.  I was hoping to use a yes/no visibility but apparently that does not work in tag families?  I'm thinking of just using a triangle tag with a leader with a dot.

Not what I wanted but will work fine.  Thanks.

Regards Peter.

[HadenDSmith-Vestal]

We all have to reach a point sometimes when we let go of the "Why" and concentrate on the "What," especially when someone gives a better solution to the problem.  As for myself, I am thrilled to find out that applying a parameter to a circle within a Generic Annotation family allows me to finish drafting a company logo for a Revit Titleblock that needed a very small round dot.  Thank you very much to the contributors on this post!