Family - Floor Breakthrough

[Anonymous]

I have a case of the floor breakthrough.

I want to make the family that I can see in ground floor with the hidden lines (that I see above) and on the first floor regular.Well my wish is to set the family that automatically shows hidden lines when this family is above and that shows regular when is below.

I know how to do it with the options using linework and override but I want more to find out how it"s possible do it inside the family?

Thank you in advance for your help...

[barthbradley]

can you post the family? It'll make it easier.  

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the reply.Here is the family and the test project for this family..

[chrisplyler]

There is no option inside a family that allows you to set a different linestyle for a symbol or symbolic lines or a detail component depending on its view direction.

You can turn on the ground floor's underlay display and set it to look up.

And you can change the Manage > Additional Settings > Halftone/Underlay settings such that the underlay displays without halftone and in the overhead linestyle.

But that's going to effect every underlay you might want to use, on a project-wide basis.

[Sahay_R]

@chrisplyler I did try to create a family with symbolic lines at a lower reference plane  at the lower floor height - and hit the proverbial wall.....

[chrisplyler]

OR...

You can get them into the ground floor view by raising the Top of your view range up to 4m. Then apply a View Filter that picks up Generic Models where Type Name contains "breakthrough" with the project line pattern set to the overhead linestyle and the visibility of surface patterns turned off.

That achieves the same thing, except that you don't have to mess up the display of every overlay in your project, and except for the fact that it won't display the floor border (which doesn't matter because presumably you would have walls showing along those sides anyway). It's view specific though, so the effect won't automatically be project wide.

But it's still way better than manually using the linework tool on every one of them.

[chrisplyler]

The few categories that ARE picked up by the overhead view range (what I call the space between the Cut plane and the Top plane) - which are Windows, Structural Columns, Casework and Generic Models - display with the standard projection line settings regardless of whether they are "cut" by the Top plane or not.

I always wondered why they didn't automatically get the overhead linestyle, in the same way that the beyond linestyle is automatically applied to the categories that display within the beyond view range (what I call the space between the Bottom plane and the Depth plane). Another one of those illogical discrepancies built into Revit.

You hear me Autodesk? Put Halftone/Overlay settings into a special tab in the Object Styles dialog to set the project-wide default, and also into the same tab in the Visibility Graphics dialog for view-specific changes. Put other similar display settings on that special tab also... like the linestyles themselves for example. And in VG also, so we can make view-specific changes to a linestyle if we want.

And while you're at it... get rid of the hard-coded exceptions all together. Put checkbox columns into Object Styles so we can set EVERY category to be visible or not in either the above view range or the beyond view range.

Make everything behave uniformly and with user control, so we can get rid of half the dang questions/complaints/confusion found on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for yours replies.

It's so common to have this situation in the project and I will so happy if revit makes family that can make this thing that goes automatically.

For all the breakthroughs that we have in the project..I tried with the linework and with the override elements but this everything goes manually.

Thanks again...

[Anonymous]

Thanks Chris,

For example I though before to make for every floor plan a different set of filters (for the breakthroughs that set above certain level) but in that case I would exclude the filters from the view template for the plans layouts..And in that case when I add a new filters for the view template that don't apply on the other plans...so the idea was little bit confusing..it's possible but I must be very carreful with that...

[ToanDN]

@chrisplyler  They created the Overhead line style but dropped the ball on the application for it.

@Anonymous  Try the attached file.

[chrisplyler]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Thanks Chris,

For example I though before to make for every floor plan a different set of filters (for the breakthroughs that set above certain level) but in that case I would exclude the filters from the view template for the plans layouts..And in that case when I add a new filters for the view template that don't apply on the other plans...so the idea was little bit confusing..it's possible but I must be very carreful with that...

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Two different View Templates. One with the filter. One without the filter. Apply to views as needed.

[chrisplyler]

I love Revit, but they dropped the ball on the LOGICAL implementation of a LOT of things. They got so much right that the things they got wrong really stick in my gut.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

This one is better.

[Sahay_R]

Aaahh - @ToanDN! Your invisible Model Line trick again! 

[chrisplyler · Accepted solution]

That's the best I can do with family editing only. Can't make it work with the Detail Region.

Simply need set the Top of the ground floor's View Range up to the Level Above setting. No other settings changes in the project. No overlay usage required.

[chrisplyler]

Toan's version with the symbolic lines fixed, and a Subcategory created for the black extrusion so that you can turn it off (in 3D views, for example).

The only thing you might ever have to mess with is changing the length of the invisible line if used with substantially different separation between floor levels.

[Viveka_CD]

Hi @Anonymous

I wanted to see if you were able to try the workarounds suggested by my favorites and most active contributors @chrisplyler, @Sahay_R, @ToanDN and  @barthbradley 

If you find posts have solved your problem, please click on 'Accept as solution' to help others with similar questions.

Regards,

[Anonymous]

Thank you everyone for the discussion and for the effort to bring this thing to solution..

chrisplyler

I can't open the Revit Family because it is 2018.Is it the same as Toan's or?

Thanks

ToanDN

Just to be sure that I understood this system of the Family that you made.

When the parameter "Level below" goes under the cut plane in view setting, the Revit shows this family as dashed because the primary range is lower(when we see down) and in that case we see dashed lines that you made in working plane - level below.

And when we don't cut the family then it showing the mass in black..

This is so simple solution but so good and efective...Thanks...

[chrisplyler]

Yes my offered families are in 2018. Sorry.

All I did to Toan's family was:

1. Add the Symbolic Lines of the Hidden category that were missing in his.

2. Create a new subcategory called "black extrusions" and then assign that extrusion to it.

[Anonymous]

Hello guys,

me again...One question regarding tags for family breakthrough.

In Germany we are tagging all the breakthroughs in the plans.

For example we must tag in the ground floor the breakthrough as a floor breakthrough above(dashed line) with the name DD and in the first floor with the name BD (floor breakthrough below - solid lines).

So far we are using different tags for different situation.When it stays above we are using DD tag and for below is BD tag.

But in this way sometimes we are making mistakes.Sometimes we put a wrong tag to the breakthrough so it's little bit confusing...

Is there any way that we can do this more automatically, to reduce the manual factor in it?

Thanks in advance for your replies..:)