Demolished Objects not automatically transparent, why?

[jma2011]

Please will someone (Autodesk) make demolished objects automatically transparent, it is a major schlep having to isolate demolished objects, selecting them all and then overriding them to make them transparent, if its demolished it is no longer there but you cant see through it? Or am I missing something?

[ToanDN]

Hmm, change Phase Filter to Show Previous + New or Show Complete.

[jma2011]

Hi

Hmm, draw a floor, draw another floor over it and above it and offset it,
make the floor above existing and demolish it, you can't see through it, it
hides the floor below!

Thanks for the response but the only way I know how to make the demolished
objects transparent is by selecting the demolished objects and overriding
the display, this is in plan elevation and section, 3D is the only view that
it is automatically transparent or am I still missing something? Been
working with Revit since 2005 and it has never changed, would have thought
Autodesk would have gotten this right by now.

Any more suggestions welcome.

Thanks

Craig

[ToanDN]

If you only need to show the demolished elements as transparent on sheet then create a view and set the phase filter to Show demo only, change to wire frame visual style, and place on top of the other view on the same sheet.

If you do need to have the demolished elements in the same view, there are several ways to select them more quickly than pick one by one to override them to be transparent.

[jma2011]

Hi

I assumed that the Autodesk wish list would take me to Autodesk and not a
forum.

What I would like (I am in South Africa so what I 'Demand', local joke!) is
that Autodesk program Revit (ie the people doing the Revit programming) so
that demolished objects are transparent automatically when demolished (it
works in 3D but not in plan, section or elevation), I know how to get it
transparent but as I said before it is a schlep (show demolished, select
all, override to transparent and then show all so that all you see is the
demolished lines).

Thanks for your effort; do you know how I can get hold of Autodesk so I can
advise them what I would like them to do?

As I said before, if something is demolished it is no longer there and
should not hide objects below, all we need to see is the demolished lines
without the opaque solid object if you understand what I mean, very simple
actually and I do not understand why Autodesk has not done this already.

Thanks again for your response.

Kind regards

Craig (Revit user since 2005)

[Sahay_R]

Make sure that the objects are on the right phase, and shown as being demolished on the right phase. I have never demolished objects on a one by one basis.

To add ideas, go to

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/custom/page/page-id/Ideas-Page

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

@jma2011

Not sure if it will work like you want....but create a "Phase-Demo" Material. Assign that material to the Demolished Phase in graphic overrides.  Change the transparency of the material to what you want it to be.

[jma2011]

Umm, maybe I know a liiiiiittle bit more than you guys out there but really,
thanks for trying. The point is in plan section and elevation demolished
objects are not transparent unless you do the long winded thing of
overriding there graphic appearance which is as I have said before is a
schlep and Autodesk need to program this into Revit for what I want.

[jma2011]

Hi



Already done, it only makes demolished items transparent in 3D views. Try it
out.

[chrisplyler]

I do NOT desire demolished items to appear transparent by default. Can't think why I ever would.

But...

You are correct...changing the material Phase - Demo to have a transparent value...does not get respected in any view except 3D views. The obvious solution here would be to alter that material used by the built-in phase settings, but it doesn't work like it should.

Here I've given the appropriate material a 50% transparency value. Only the 3D view respects that setting.

[jma2011]

Hi

Thanks very much for your response, have you ever submitted additions and
alterations for a building to a local authority for approval?

If not then I would understand your initial response!

Ok, so we want to build a new floor lower than an existing demolished floor
for whatever reason and add a toilet , basin, walls bidet and a new floor
finish below the existing demolished floor etc, I do all of this but where
is it, I can't see it, its hidden by the non-transparent demolished floor
that is above! I now have to override the demolished floors parameters so
that it is transparent so that I can see what is going to be built below.
Now times this by half a house, how many objects do I now have to override
so that I can see what has been added below what ever has been demolished?

Many thanks for your input and keep up the good work!

Kind regards

Craig

[jma2011]

Hi

Thanks very much for your response, have you ever submitted additions and
alterations for a building to a local authority for approval?

If not then I would understand your initial response!

Ok, so we want to build a new floor lower than an existing demolished floor
for whatever reason and add a toilet , basin, walls bidet and a new floor
finish below the existing demolished floor etc, I do all of this but where
is it, I can't see it, its hidden by the non-transparent demolished floor
that is above! I now have to override the demolished floors parameters so
that it is transparent so that I can see what is going to be built below.
Now times this by half a house, how many objects do I now have to override
so that I can see what has been added below what ever has been demolished?

Many thanks for your input and keep up the good work!

Kind regards

Craig

[ToanDN]

@jma2011

There is no one international standards for building permit documents.  What you need may not be what others do and vice versa.

With that said, having demolished items transparent without some workaround would be a welcome feature.  You can submit the idea following the Revit Ideas link in my signature below.

[Sahay_R]

Give demolished objects a Comment, or something to distinguish them. Create a Filter to filter by the comment, override the transparency in the filter. That's about as automatic as we can get.

[chrisplyler]

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@jma2011 wrote:
Hi

Thanks very much for your response, have you ever submitted additions and
alterations for a building to a local authority for approval?

If not then I would understand your initial response!

Ok, so we want to build a new floor lower than an existing demolished floor
for whatever reason and add a toilet , basin, walls bidet and a new floor
finish below the existing demolished floor etc, I do all of this but where
is it, I can't see it, its hidden by the non-transparent demolished floor
that is above! I now have to override the demolished floors parameters so
that it is transparent so that I can see what is going to be built below.
Now times this by half a house, how many objects do I now have to override
so that I can see what has been added below what ever has been demolished?

Many thanks for your input and keep up the good work!

Kind regards

Craig

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Yes I have been submitting plans for permit approval for - oh gosh - going on twenty-seven years of my life now.

I have always done - and always seen others do - an existing/demo plan, and a separate plan showing new work. So that demoed floor wouldn't show up in my new floor plan at all and wouldn't be hiding my new plumbing fixtures or whatever. I can't imagine why you would want even a transparent demoed floor on the same plan as the one showing where the new plumbing fixtures go. By the time the subcontractor is installing the new fixtures, he doesn't need to know where the old floor was.

If you've got local standards requiring your plans to show things a certain way, then I'm not knocking it. I'm just saying I can't think of any logical reason I would want it that way myself, neither as a designer, as the construction manager, as the general contractor, or as the mechanical/electrical/plumbing contractor either. (I am all of those by the way.)

[jma2011]

Thanks, will look into it.

[jma2011]

Hi

We show both new and demolished items in the same plan so that council can
see what is new and what has been demolished, hence the query.

Cheers for now

Craig

[jma2011]

Hi

We show both new and demolished items in the same plan so that council can
see what is new and what has been demolished, hence the query.

Cheers for now

Craig

[RobDraw]

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@jma2011 wrote:
We show both new and demolished items in the same plan so that council can
see what is new and what has been demolished,

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I've only done this for very simple drawings. It doesn't take much for a drawing like this to become congested. 99.9% of the time, separate demo and new plans are necessary.

[jma2011]

Thanks for your suggestion.

All Autodesk need to do is have a toggle to show demolished objects
transparent or opaque.

Thanks for everyone's comments but we do not need to take this thread any
further.

Cheers

Craig