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Area Regions / Rooms Scheduling

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horsebarns
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Area Regions / Rooms Scheduling

Is there a means of scheduling Areas category (area plan regions) and Rooms category together in a schedule. (Rooms communicating with Area regions. Identifying/collecting all rooms within an Area region). 
Similar to an embedded furniture schedule in a room schedule, to be able to embed a room schedule within an area schedule.


The Room/Area Report tool works almost as desired, except for the html export and general fixed formatting. If only there was a way to add/customize parameter columns to this tool, remove the area calculation images, and preferably keep it within an internal Revit schedule formatting. 

 

Rooms alone don't provide the flexibility of comparing room areas to their gross department areas. (not department areas, which are only totaled room areas and not the total area of the department including structure). Room area calculations to the centerline/core of the walls does not include the entire building area, especially if you're modelling with built-up wall systems (instead of single all-encompassing wall assemblies). This is possible with separated schedules, but then requires manually combining and formatting them in external apps. 

 

An example of why this is desired:

A large facility has multiple wings, of varying construction types, services and degrees of finishes. For rough cost estimating (~Class C ish~), we want to extract the building footprint areas of the wings, and organize all the rooms and their room areas within these wings. This way we can provide a rough cost for the building envelope of the wing as a whole, and then add room specific costs to the rooms within the wings. Preferably in a system that allows a fairly automated workflow for any new project. 

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barthbradley
in reply to: horsebarns

What about using Spaces and Rooms - and making use of Separator Lines instead of Bounding Elements?  Rooms and Spaces can be Scheduled together.  

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ToanDN
in reply to: horsebarns


@horsebarns wrote:

Is there a means of scheduling Areas category (area plan regions) and Rooms category together in a schedule. (Rooms communicating with Area regions. Identifying/collecting all rooms within an Area region). 
Similar to an embedded furniture schedule in a room schedule, to be able to embed a room schedule within an area schedule.


The Room/Area Report tool works almost as desired, except for the html export and general fixed formatting. If only there was a way to add/customize parameter columns to this tool, remove the area calculation images, and preferably keep it within an internal Revit schedule formatting. 

 

Rooms alone don't provide the flexibility of comparing room areas to their gross department areas. (not department areas, which are only totaled room areas and not the total area of the department including structure). Room area calculations to the centerline/core of the walls does not include the entire building area, especially if you're modelling with built-up wall systems (instead of single all-encompassing wall assemblies). This is possible with separated schedules, but then requires manually combining and formatting them in external apps. 

 

An example of why this is desired:

A large facility has multiple wings, of varying construction types, services and degrees of finishes. For rough cost estimating (~Class C ish~), we want to extract the building footprint areas of the wings, and organize all the rooms and their room areas within these wings. This way we can provide a rough cost for the building envelope of the wing as a whole, and then add room specific costs to the rooms within the wings. Preferably in a system that allows a fairly automated workflow for any new project. 


Currently there is no connection between Areas and Rooms.  There are several workaround approaches:

 

1. Use Department or a custom parameter to group Rooms together.  It works with color scheme and schedule, not tag (needs another workaround on top this).

 

2. Use Spaces and Zones in lieu of Rooms and Areas.

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horsebarns
in reply to: barthbradley

Thanks for the idea, that does work for the grouping. However in my attempts at making this work the Spaces only host to bounding elements, unless the separator lines are drawn in. This becomes a real pain to manually add in on large projects, unless there is a way to get Dynamo to make it happen. The other drawback of using the separator lines is that they also wrecks havoc on the wall connections, especially at multiple wall join locations. This seems to also require the bounding elements to all be turned off in order for the Space to capture the entire building area, which seems it could have down-the-road consequences. 

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RDAOU
in reply to: horsebarns

@horsebarns 

 

Just use Dynamo to link between Areas and Rooms. Get values from the former and set them to parameters in the latter. It wont be a live update but you can set is as a routine task to be run every end of day so you wont have to do it manually

 

 

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horsebarns
in reply to: RDAOU

I think this may be the only route currently for us. Now to find the time to piece a Dynamo together. 

 

Thanks for everyone's help!

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RDAOU
in reply to: horsebarns

@horsebarns 

 

Time? it shouldn't need more than a couple of minutes ... assuming you will generate/add to Rooms the same parameters' names from Areas

 

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