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A real surface treatment/finish/coating (paint) tool

A real surface treatment/finish/coating (paint) tool

Companies frequently produce parts with various different surface treatments, finishes, and coatings. These include:

 

  • Treatments: Galvanizing, Anodizing, Electroplating, etc.
  • Finishes: Ground, Brushed, Sand-blasted, Knurled, etc.
  • Coatings: Paints, epoxies, sealants, etc.

Right now, we have to use clunky workarounds to try and represent these, using View Reps, Derived Parts, and custom iProperties. It would be great to have real, built-in tools for defining, applying, representing, and documenting surface treatments.

 

Defining Surface Treatments:

I propose a tool for creating custom "Surface Treatment" operations. For each Surface Treatment operation, we can define its Appearance effects (change color, change reflectiveness, apply texture, etc.) and/or its surface geometry effects (add thickness, remove thickness, apply modeled knurling, etc.).

 

Surface Treatments could be added to a global company Surface Treatments library, to be made available to everyone in the company. Designers could also create custom ones for unique situations as necessary.

 

Applying and representing Surface Treatments:

Our defined Surface Treatments could be applied to individual faces or to the part as a whole (similar to Appearances now). Once applied, surface treatments would be accurately represented on the model by imposing their defined appearance and surface geometry effects on the affected surfaces. The most-recently applied treatments would override previous ones, or, if possible, combine with them (e.g. add a color tint to a previously applied texture).

 

If and when better part configuration functionality is added, we should be able to specify which treatment(s) are to be added at which fabrication stage. Additionally, we could specify a unique Part Number for each different "surface treatment" variation (or even simply each color variation) that we produce for a given part.

 

Documenting Surface Treatments:

In drawings, we could place a "Surface Treatments" note that lists the treatments applied to the entire part, in the correct order. We could also pull a "Surface Treatments" leader note on a particular face and see any special treatments applied only to that face.

 

If and when better part configuration functionality is added, we should be able to specify whether these notes should list all treatments, or only those added at the current fabrication stage.

 

 

I  think these tools would vastly improve the experience of specifying, representing, and documenting these crucial manufacturing processes in Inventor.

 

If I missed any functionality that would be valuable to those who use surface treatments, or if you have an special surface treatments you would like to be supported, please add them in the comments!

16 Comments
DRoam
Mentor

As suggested here by @mcgyvr (archived idea, unfortunately), one good way to define surface geometry effects would be to supply an image and apply a "height map" based on the lighter/darker areas of the image.

 

This would be a very flexible way to apply different surface-roughening techniques that companies may use, and would be particularly useful for additive manufacturing/3D printing applications where those surface features really do need to be modeled, not just visually represented.

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor
DRoam
Mentor

Those are great ideas, Dusan. It would be great to get those built into Inventor.

 

One thing that's important to point out is the difference between "physical appearance" and "display appearance". Right now, we can just change the "display appearance" using Appearances, but this is only saved to the View Rep. If and when we get better part configurations / iParts, we would want to be able to apply real "physical appearance" changes to the configurations themselves, not to View Reps.

 

"Physical appearance" is used to represent how the part really looks in real life. "Display appearance", on the other hand, can override the appearance to look a certain way for purely presentation purposes, such as color-coding, transparency, etc.

 

Just wanted to point out that distinction. Whatever the case, the tools you suggested would be great to have for changing both the "physical appearance" (using Surface Treatments) as well as the "display appearance" (using the View Rep Appearances we have now).

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor

@DRoam  Thank you. I appreciate your opinion.

DRoam
Mentor

Related idea: Show painted surfaces of a part in a drawing. Once the "Surface Treatment" tool was used to apply paint to the appropriate faces, there could perhaps be a drawing tool for highlighting these faces in some way, even in non-shaded Views.

Ben-Cornelius
Collaborator

@DRoam  we have also run into similar issues what I would add this is it would great if you could assign treatments, finishes, testing to materials that way you could select material first it would then give you the associated list from that material on the next drop down also assigning appearances to those treatments or finishes so they would override the material appearance. Testing would also be good as lots of parts require this but these drop downs and libraries could be custom so companies could configure as needed. it would also be great if we could access these within vault also. 

 

materials.jpg

 

We also have the need to show curtain areas require finishes or not as the case maybe I added the below idea but got archived.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-ideas/add-hatch-to-a-surface-dynamic-structures-dsl/idi-p/64... 

DRoam
Mentor

Good suggestions, Ben, thanks for the comment. I like your idea with the dropdowns. Quick question, can you give some examples of what might go under Testing? Also, would these have any geometric or appearance effects, or simply be part of the "spec" for the part?

 

I like the hatching idea, too. That would be a great way to indicate which faces or areas of faces get a particular treatment.

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor

Yes. Good suggestions, Ben

It could also go for editing the Content Center. Add Column as Material. So add the surface and more.

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Ben-Cornelius
Collaborator

Testing: so these would not have any geometric or appearance effects, Would simply be part of the "spec" for the part for example CVN,UT but there maybe specific test requirements that only apply to a curtain material(s) would be good to save these associated to the material for reuse.

christoffer.natt
Participant

Also the calculated weight of the surface treatment would be useful

Yijiang.Cai
Autodesk
Status changed to: Future Consideration

Many thanks for posting the idea to us, and tracked as [INVGEN-25580].

martin.zatecka
Autodesk

Some possible solutions for this idea are currently under discussion within the NDA based, internal Inventor feedback community forums. If you would like to contribute to the discussion, please apply for access using this link: https://Autode.sk/InventorBeta

 

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Regards

Martin Zatecka

dan_szymanski
Autodesk
Status changed to: Accepted
 
davis.j
Advocate

Solidworks has the 3D Texture Tool. We need something like that.
It converts the part to a mesh for exporting for 3D Printing.

dan_szymanski
Autodesk
Status changed to: Implemented

This idea has been implemented within Autodesk Inventor 2024. Please review the Inventor 2024 What's New article here, for more information regarding how you may leverage new Finish Features. Special thanks to everyone who cast a vote for it. And special thanks to @DRoam for capturing so many workflow requirements and requesting others to weigh in, which made our Phase I solution more robust.

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