Detail view label

[JimmyDoe]

Does this happen to anyone else? When I create a detail view on a drawing, the label sometimes doesn't start at 'A' and then jumps to different letters for any other detail views that I create. Today, I created a detail view on a brand new drawing, with no other detail views and it was labeled as 'B' And the same thing for section view labels. Today, on the same drawing I created two section views, the first one was labeled 'A' but the second was labeled 'C'

There are two detailers where I work (myself and one other) this also happens to him when creating drawings. Is this normal? And how can I change it?

[cbenner]

On these drawings where you see this happen, did you start to create a detail or section and then cancel it or start over?

Also, I'm sure you know this, but you can change the view label on view creation easily enough.  But I understand that you want it to do it right for you the first time.

[mcgyvr]

NEVER had that happen unless I have already created another view and then deleted it..

And you can easily change the detail view letter upon placement via the dialog box that comes up

[JimmyDoe]

No, I hadn't canceled out of anything. After reading your reply, I just opened the same drawing and just created another detail and it went to 'D'?? It was only the second detail view I ever tried to create on this drawing. So the first detail I made started at 'B' and I just went to create a second one and it was at 'D'

Good thing I just went back to try this on that same drawing. I realize I never changed the label of my second section from C-C to B-B. My first section was at A-A but the second, and only other section I created was at C-C??

The order I created these views is as follows: I first created my detail which started at 'B' I then created a section that was A-A and then created my second section that was at C-C.

I do go to the view label and change it to the proper letter. This has been happening since I switched to Inventor 5 months ago and finally I decided I'd ask if this was a common problem.

I sure wish this had NEVER happened to me.

[Anonymous]

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@JimmyDoe wrote:

No, I hadn't canceled out of anything. After reading your reply, I just opened the same drawing and just created another detail and it went to 'D'?? It was only the second detail view I ever tried to create on this drawing. So the first detail I made started at 'B' and I just went to create a second one and it was at 'D'

Good thing I just went back to try this on that same drawing. I realize I never changed the label of my second section from C-C to B-B. My first section was at A-A but the second, and only other section I created was at C-C??

The order I created these views is as follows: I first created my detail which started at 'B' I then created a section that was A-A and then created my second section that was at C-C.

I do go to the view label and change it to the proper letter. This has been happening since I switched to Inventor 5 months ago and finally I decided I'd ask if this was a common problem.

I sure wish this had NEVER happened to me.

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What happpens if you restart Inventor and then place your first detail view?

Also, if you open the drawing template itself, from the location in which it's saved, and place a detail view, what is its label?  If anything other than A, you may have to create a new drawing template, with no detail views created before it's saved (that sounds like a lot a fun...).

[blair]

Make sure you are current on all SP's and Updates for your product.

I've been using IV since release 4 and can't every recall this happening.

[cbenner]

Did you say you were on Inventor 5?

[Anonymous]

Switched to Inventor, five months ago...

[cbenner]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Switched to Inventor, five months ago...

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Whew... thanks for clarifying that!  I was getting ready to google search if there were view label bugs in Inventor 5!  I blame this on the early hour and the fact that I haven't absorbed enough caffeine yet.

[Anonymous]

Nonetheless... it's Friday!

[Anonymous]

Jimmy,

I've attempted to duplicate this error on Inventor 2014, 2015 and 2016 and even if I placed a view and then performed an "undo", when I inserted a new view, it defaulted back to the first view for the label, in my case "View 1".

For ****s and giggles, instead of opening a custom template that you might be using, try clicking on the drop down next to the Inventor icon in the upper left and select the out of the box drawing template and see if that has the same issues. If that works as you'd expect, there's most likely an issue with the template file you have set up, aka, you'll have to fix that.

Another question, are you using a .dwg or .idw for your drawings?

Almost forgot...can you post the template you're using? I'll take a look at it if need be.

[salariua]

I wonder if someone's pulling some ilogic code to reset / change view labels.

Here's my workaround:

http://blog.ads-sol.com/2015/01/renumber-drawing-views.html

[JimmyDoe]

Hi guys,

Thanks for your replies. I just opened a brand new drawing using Inventor's standard drawing template. I placed a view, created a detail that was labeled 'A' yay! But then I deleted it and created a section view and it was labeled 'B-B' 😞

Can you guys try that same thing and see what happens?

[JimmyDoe]

Ok, I just created a second section view and it was labeled 'C-C' then I created another detail view and it was at 'D' ?????

Its looking like whatever type of view, detail or section, they just keep taking the next letter, regardless of whether it is a section or detail. And deleting a view doesn't seem to free up the letter it was originally assigned.

[blair]

It's been like that for as long as I can remember and I started with IV4. The View-Counter only goes up, just like the Odometer on a car. No matter how far I drove my dad's car in reverse on the way home it wouldn't roll back the Odometer.

Views are Views, doesn't matter if it's a Detail or Section View. I'm pretty sure that their is some obscure ANSI Standard that you can't have different views with the same label designation.

That said it would be nice be able to set the Counter if a person deleted a view. I guess the software doesn't know if the view you deleted was the last view created and not View-C and your last view is View-H.

[JimmyDoe]

Ok, maybe I've just been confusing myself and trying to bring along as many people with me as I can 😛 I'll just keep an eye on things and see if the problem is just in my mind...

[Anonymous]

ANSI/ASME Y14.3M (if I recall) specifies that view callouts increase as used.

In essense, if you create 'View A", the next view designation would thus be "View B" and so on, regardless of the type of view. So if you create a standard view and designate it as "View A", even if the next view is a section or detail view, etc., it is still considered a "view" and thus requires the designation to be the next higher letter character.

In other words, you can't have a standard view labeled "View A", a section view labeled "Section A-A" and a detail view labeled as "Detail View A". That would get extremely confusing on a complicated drawing. At the same time, based on the standard, if you create a view and then delete it, it can't then be re-used. It's along the same lines as Revision characters, you can't re-use an older revision letter/number, once it's been used, that's it, you need to move on.

Granted, I understand the document in this case hasn't been released with those views, etc. but the software doesn't know that (think of the code that would have to be written for that), so it's doing what it's designed to do, use the next available view callout. You'll just have to manually correct it from that point on.

[JimmyDoe]

It just happened again!

I created a new drawing and I had made NO OTHER VIEWS except BASE and PROJECTION. When I made my first section view, it's B-B??

I thought I maybe got confused with the views going up incrementally, regardless if it was a section or detail, but it just happened again. Where I created my first non base or projection view and it did not start at A-A. This happened about four minutes ago, so it is fresh in my mind.

I don't know why this happens and it doesn't seem to be a bug or happening to anyone else here, so I can deal with it. But I find it very strange...

[jeanchile]

From reading through all the posts it doesn't seem like this is likely but I'm going to mention it anyway:

Can you check to make sure that someone hasn't edited the style library/CAD standard to remove the letters that don't show up?

[JimmyDoe]

I've just checked and 'A' it is not an excluded character. Thanks tho!