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Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

I've been extremely busy lately and havn't participated in this forum for a while. What I notice reading through here today is A LOT of very negative comments. I want to put my 2 cents in.

First of all it is to our advantage to have Autodesk employees participate in this group. Most of them do it because they WANT to, as volunteers. If we just bash their work constantly in a non-constructive way it will only encourage them to ignore this forum.

Secondly Rome wasn't built in a day. Inventor has had some problems, we all know that. Shapemanager is an example of Autodesk taking a major step to solve a problem. It will take time, you don't fix up somebody elses kernal with a decade of bugs in it within a few months. Autodesk has taken some major steps in other areas too to address key issues. It will take time for the changes to have an effect on things howerver. My point is things are being addressed but it takes time for the changes to occur.

Finally I'm sure somebody can read back through the posts and find times when I bashed Autodesk as well. We all get frustrated but lets all try and focus on being constructive.

Rich Thomas

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

That's the way I see it as well, but wouldn't it be dull without all the
rants!
~Larry

"MDB" wrote in message
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> Not to sound like I'm taking sides, but there are a lot of things going on
with the IV developers and QA guys right now. I think one reason you haven't
seen Gary Smith or Jason Ruge (sp?) posting in here lately is because they
are pounding on SP1 right now (which will be released soon 😉 for some of
the very issues that are posted in this group. IV Pro will be targeted at
industry specific companies and priced accordingly. There will be versions
for mold, wiring, and piping. Don't quote me on this, but I think that if
you are an AIS customer you will have all versions. Other companies that
just buy IV will be able to upgrade to the industry specific version. As for
the R7 release, this version required a full release number because of
support for the new AutoCAD format. Thats primarily the only reason for it.
I spent some time talking to product managers and QA guys last week. They
are all very busy working on the R8 release due out this fall. In talking
with them, I found that many of them do read the posts in this newsgroup and
are very appreciative of the responses and suggestions that come from all of
us in this group. They are dedicated to building better software just as we
are dedicated to building better machines. It's not a marriage made in
heaven but rather a dance, not everybody likes all of the music but most can
dance with it. Mike@RTSWright

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

Why not hire one tech guy who's job it is to
support this NG. He would defiantly be busy. I'm tired of hearing they don't
have time to support this NG. I know it's a peer to peer, but years ago
they use to respond to a large majority of posts. Now you hardly ever see a
post, what happened, are they embarrassed? I would be if I put out a product
like IV has been lately.

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

What makes the AutoCAD 2004 functionality require a
new version number? The only answer I can come up with is
$$$.

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

Yeah but it was warm by the time I got to it...

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"MechMan" wrote in message news:f167ac3.32@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I sent you one through the NG one time. B-)
>
> MechMan

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

Why would they do that when they get me , Kent, Quinn, Larry, Mech, Charles
(I'm not going to list them all) etc.. for free..

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"Jerry Berry" <-> wrote in message
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> Why not hire one tech guy who's job it is to support this NG. He would
defiantly be busy. I'm tired of hearing they don't have time to support this
NG. I know it's a peer to peer, but years ago they use to respond to a large
majority of posts. Now you hardly ever see a post, what happened, are they
embarrassed? I would be if I put out a product like IV has been lately.

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

2004 format utilizes a compression ratio in the drawing to make them smaller. This forced some reprogramming in IV to be done to read and write this format. It cost no extra money for this release, provided your on subscription. 🙂 Mike

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

Those are the new features I'm talking about. From our end, it does not matter
if it's an acquired add-in (they said they are NOT add-ins) or newly developed,
they are all new features. What difference does it make to me if the piping
module is an add-in or created from scratch? My comments apply either way. I do
have to say, I was pleased they didn't add to price when they released the
Series (that was pure market warfare tactics, which is fine, and everyone knows
it), so maybe now they are trying to make up for lost profits.

--
Dave Jacquemotte
Automation Designer

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

And when I did that, (MDT newsgroup) I got into a
lot of trouble because of feedback from the reseller channel. Maybe things
have changed in the past few years, but that was the way it was then.

Ed

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Why not hire one tech guy who's job it is to
support this NG. He would defiantly be busy. I'm tired of hearing they don't
have time to support this NG. I know it's a peer to peer, but years ago
they use to respond to a large majority of posts. Now you hardly ever see a
post, what happened, are they embarrassed? I would be if I put out a product
like IV has been lately.

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

I'm still waiting for my freakin T-shirt since '97.

QBZ

"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
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> Why would they do that when they get me , Kent, Quinn, Larry, Mech,
Charles
> (I'm not going to list them all) etc.. for free..

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

Quinn,

Was that one that had been promised from me?

Ed

"Quinn Zander" wrote in message
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> I'm still waiting for my freakin T-shirt since '97.
>
> QBZ
>
>
> "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
> news:204055F0B144D452554DAF9E4B2F0D65@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Why would they do that when they get me , Kent, Quinn, Larry, Mech,
> Charles
> > (I'm not going to list them all) etc.. for free..
>
>

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

FWIW,

Your participation at that time was greatly appreciated.

QBZ

"Ed O'Halloran" wrote in message
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> And when I did that, (MDT newsgroup) I got into a lot of trouble because
of feedback from the reseller channel. Maybe things have changed in the
past few years, but that was the way it was then.
>
> Ed
> "Jerry Berry" <-> wrote in message
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> Why not hire one tech guy who's job it is to support this NG. He would
defiantly be busy. I'm tired of hearing they don't have time to support this
NG. I know it's a peer to peer, but years ago they use to respond to a large
majority of posts. Now you hardly ever see a post, what happened, are they
embarrassed? I would be if I put out a product like IV has been lately.

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

LOL, you're a tough guy to please Sean. B-)

MechMan

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

Thanks Quinn!

I really appreciated that. I really enjoyed doing it, I felt like I was
making a difference in the product. While definitely not the primary
reason, it had something to do with why I left.

Ed

"Quinn Zander" wrote in message
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> FWIW,
>
> Your participation at that time was greatly appreciated.
>
> QBZ
>
>
>
> "Ed O'Halloran" wrote in message
> news:6FE0E6BE9B4634D468C16EF9888E1A32@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > And when I did that, (MDT newsgroup) I got into a lot of trouble because
> of feedback from the reseller channel. Maybe things have changed in the
> past few years, but that was the way it was then.
> >
> > Ed
> > "Jerry Berry" <-> wrote in message
> news:42DEA19E8C1918C038BC708E84540E8F@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Why not hire one tech guy who's job it is to support this NG. He would
> defiantly be busy. I'm tired of hearing they don't have time to support
this
> NG. I know it's a peer to peer, but years ago they use to respond to a
large
> majority of posts. Now you hardly ever see a post, what happened, are they
> embarrassed? I would be if I put out a product like IV has been lately.
>
>

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

Probably 🙂

I had to resort to driving 300 miles to attend Adesk sponsored seminars to
answer silly questions from the presentors in front of several hundred
people and have the T-shirts thrown at me while standing in my chair.

Now that's commitment!

QBZ

"Ed O'Halloran" wrote in message
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> Quinn,
>
> Was that one that had been promised from me?

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

That's a sticky legal issue. As I understand
it, if you actually introduce *any* new functionality, you are required to issue
at least a point release (in other words, you can only fix problems in a service
pack; you can't change how anything works). I think if you wade through
all the legal mumbo-jumbo, you'd find that support of a new dwg format is
significant enough to require a full versioin release.
face=Arial size=2>I guess I can live with that. Shoot, it's not
as if they're going to run out of numbers anytime soon. As I understand
it, they also made a lot of tweaks and changes "under the hood".

I just wish they could talk to us a bit more.
And not in marketing hyperbole, thank you. I've come to the point where I
immediatly distrust any statement that contains the words "leverage", "enable",
or "integrated". And heaven forbid they should call anything "robust" or a
"solution".

Walt

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What makes the AutoCAD 2004 functionality require
a new version number? The only answer I can come up with is
$$$.

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

Ok, let me rephrase,... the new features are product aquired features that were not featured in the existing product prior to aquiring the new prodocts to enhance the existing product features with new features. My tongue hurts...... Mike

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

From what I have come to understand, is that since
adsk is a publicly traded company they are bound by certain regulations that
prevent them from adding new functionality to a product without incrementing the
release number.

It was explained to me that they can't release a
product today, post the sales today, and actually add the features later through
service packs.

So the requirement to increment the release number
is an imposed regulation.

So why not an incremental number instead of a full
step... it's just a number to distinguish one release from another.

Take for example AutoCAD that jumped from R14 to
R2000 - did it include 1,984 release levels of new functionality? Its just
a number.

Dave

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What makes the AutoCAD 2004 functionality require
a new version number? The only answer I can come up with is
$$$.

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

And I am VERY appreciative of the time you guys give up to help out around
here.

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

We get absolutely ZERO help from our
reseller. They simply don't know the software. I would at least like
to use them as a go between from us to Autodesk, but they are so lazy there's no
need to bother.

Anonymous · ‎05-27-2003

There are a number of valid reasons why the
development team can't hang out here much. For one, they're (hopefully)
too busy developing. This place would end up a huge time sink for any
developer who posted regularly. You'd have folks getting upset if there
were no "official" response to their particular problem, and it would get all
unpleasant. For another, it's dangerous. Those guys have to be so
careful about what they say. We would be unable to resist the urge to pump
them for information that it would cost their job to give out. How'd you
like to work in an atmosphere where everyone could freely express and explain
themselves but you? Finally, look back on the times a developer did post,
and find me an example where they weren't subsequently deluged with "while we've
got your attention, when are you going to fix this..." posts. As I've
said before, the last developer I talked to told me his work was scheduled for
the next eighteen months. They don't decide what they'll be working on,
and can't talk about it even if they are working on that particular problem, and
so have no good answer to posts like that.

This group is a minefield for the development
team. With the ordeal they go through when they do post, I consider us
lucky that they come here at all.

Walt

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I
agree. why don't we see more autodesk help on this discussion group. wouldn't
hurt them to chime in every now in and again. but they don't which just shows
they don't care. its all about the money any more... tried to get a answer
about the welding feature and all they could do was try to defend them selves
without giving me a true answer. then try to say it was the customers fault
not thiers.

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