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Anonymous
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Adesk bashing

I've been extremely busy lately and havn't participated in this forum for a while. What I notice reading through here today is A LOT of very negative comments. I want to put my 2 cents in.



First of all it is to our advantage to have Autodesk employees participate in this group. Most of them do it because they WANT to, as volunteers. If we just bash their work constantly in a non-constructive way it will only encourage them to ignore this forum.

Secondly Rome wasn't built in a day. Inventor has had some problems, we all know that. Shapemanager is an example of Autodesk taking a major step to solve a problem. It will take time, you don't fix up somebody elses kernal with a decade of bugs in it within a few months. Autodesk has taken some major steps in other areas too to address key issues. It will take time for the changes to have an effect on things howerver. My point is things are being addressed but it takes time for the changes to occur.

Finally I'm sure somebody can read back through the posts and find times when I bashed Autodesk as well. We all get frustrated but lets all try and focus on being constructive.

Rich Thomas
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Message 2 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

C'mon Rich! You know those cubes of logic dissolve when placed in a glass of
emotion.
~Larry

"rllthomas" wrote in message
news:f167ac3.-1@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I've been extremely busy lately and havn't participated in this forum for
a while. What I notice reading through here today is A LOT of very negative
comments. I want to put my 2 cents in.
>
>
> First of all it is to our advantage to have Autodesk employees participate
in this group. Most of them do it because they WANT to, as volunteers. If we
just bash their work constantly in a non-constructive way it will only
encourage them to ignore this forum.
>
> Secondly Rome wasn't built in a day. Inventor has had some problems, we
all know that. Shapemanager is an example of Autodesk taking a major step to
solve a problem. It will take time, you don't fix up somebody elses kernal
with a decade of bugs in it within a few months. Autodesk has taken some
major steps in other areas too to address key issues. It will take time for
the changes to have an effect on things howerver. My point is things are
being addressed but it takes time for the changes to occur.
>
> Finally I'm sure somebody can read back through the posts and find times
when I bashed Autodesk as well. We all get frustrated but lets all try and
focus on being constructive.
>
> Rich Thomas
>
Message 3 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I agree from one viewpoint, and disagree from
another.

 

I agree that criticism should be constructive, and
that sometimes the criticism here can be a bit less than that.  There's no
use ranting and raving because it will just make others angry, and nothing good
will come of it.

 

On the other hand, I believe that Autodesk needs to
pay more attention to its customers.  There are some things that Inventor
users have been asking for since release 1 (Sean, others?  I think you know
what I mean) that have not only not been implemented, they seem to be
ignored.  I do find it refreshing that more and more developers are
venturing into the forums here to discuss the problems and whatnot the average
user finds in Inventor.

 

Rome may not have been built in a day, but did they
neglect to add something important (such as a sewage system, or roads) until
several releases down the road?  No, they didn't.

 

In any case, I think this thread is pretty much
off-topic.  It will probably end up dissolving into either a) a wishlist
post or b) a bash.  Hopefully, it will do neither, but that would be like
asking for peace between Autodesk and Solidworks users.

 

Corwin Holder

Agri-Fab, Inc.

 


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I've
been extremely busy lately and havn't participated in this forum for a while.
What I notice reading through here today is A LOT of very negative comments. I
want to put my 2 cents in.


First of all it is to our advantage to have Autodesk employees participate
in this group. Most of them do it because they WANT to, as volunteers. If we
just bash their work constantly in a non-constructive way it will only
encourage them to ignore this forum.

Secondly Rome wasn't built in a
day. Inventor has had some problems, we all know that. Shapemanager is an
example of Autodesk taking a major step to solve a problem. It will take time,
you don't fix up somebody elses kernal with a decade of bugs in it within a
few months. Autodesk has taken some major steps in other areas too to address
key issues. It will take time for the changes to have an effect on things
howerver. My point is things are being addressed but it takes time for the
changes to occur.

Finally I'm sure somebody can read back through the
posts and find times when I bashed Autodesk as well. We all get frustrated but
lets all try and focus on being constructive.

Rich
Thomas

Message 4 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I don't think anyone bashes Adesk intentionally but there are serious flaws in the Inventor software and they've had 7 releases to get them fixed and they're still there. I've been very satisfied with other Adesk products but why can't this one operate as well as those, I think thats the real question you have to ask yourself. What if Honda started making (Edited) cars all of sudden, how would you feel about Honda?
Message 5 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

If you can't take the heat then stay out of the
kitchen.

 

Dave


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I've
been extremely busy lately and havn't participated in this forum for a while.
What I notice reading through here today is A LOT of very negative comments. I
want to put my 2 cents in.


First of all it is to our advantage to have Autodesk employees participate
in this group. Most of them do it because they WANT to, as volunteers. If we
just bash their work constantly in a non-constructive way it will only
encourage them to ignore this forum.

Secondly Rome wasn't built in a
day. Inventor has had some problems, we all know that. Shapemanager is an
example of Autodesk taking a major step to solve a problem. It will take time,
you don't fix up somebody elses kernal with a decade of bugs in it within a
few months. Autodesk has taken some major steps in other areas too to address
key issues. It will take time for the changes to have an effect on things
howerver. My point is things are being addressed but it takes time for the
changes to occur.

Finally I'm sure somebody can read back through the
posts and find times when I bashed Autodesk as well. We all get frustrated but
lets all try and focus on being constructive.

Rich
Thomas

Message 6 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Ah ... that's why Honda doesn't have any repair service bays and no one
needs to carries Honda parts, eh?
~Larry

"ohunome" wrote in message
news:f167ac3.3@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I don't think anyone bashes Adesk intentionally but there are serious
flaws in the Inventor software and they've had 7 releases to get them fixed
and they're still there. I've been very satisfied with other Adesk products
but why can't this one operate as well as those, I think thats the real
question you have to ask yourself. What if Honda started making (Edited)
cars all of sudden, how would you feel about Honda?
Message 7 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

...for the most part i agree with you. generally, i am pretty pleased with
autodesk products. however, some of the "bashing" is justified. we are all
designers or engineers and we chose this product to help us do our jobs. we
make promises based on the promises from autodesk and when they are broken
or something does not work as advertised it's the users that end up looking
like the jack@#$. especially if the users have deadlines. we are always held
accountable but i haven't seen autodesk held accountable one time. i have
often wondered if it was necessary to rush 7 releases in like 4 years. why
are they moving so fast? i'd like to see autodesk slow things down and
concentrate on getting their products right. we can accept a few bugs but
some of the stuff that i have seen and read just amazes me. i love having
new features to play with in each release but if one of those new features
crashes my 150 component assembly forcing me to start from scratch, i'll
gladly be patient enough to wait for that feature to be bug free rather than
half baked...

--
Mark A. Bystry
Engineer
Ziggity Systems, Inc.
mbystry@ziggity,com
Message 8 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

when it cost me deadlines and time to fix what was right yes I will bash them. when they say MAKE YOUR DEADLINES WITH INVENTOR then it better work so far I missed 3 deadlines because of the bugs and other (Edited) things.
THIS COST ME MONEY NOT JUST TIME!!!!!!!!!!! are you going to pay for this Rich NO
Message 9 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

You say 7 releases, but there was little to no
change apparent between r6 and r7.  That's what has upset
me.
Message 10 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

They are moving so fast to stay competitive.
This group gets 2 types of complaints CONSISTENTLY:

1: The features you have don't work right.

2: Your competition has features you don't have.

To keep up with one is to sacrifice the other. Simple as that. (BTW, the other
softwares have the same complaints)

--
Dave Jacquemotte
Automation Designer
Message 11 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Autodesk has an obligation to provide a functional
product to it's customers. Minor bugs are expected. I expect line scale to be a
problem from a $300 software package purchased from Staples, not a $5000 mid
level package like Inventor. R2 had the proper line scale and now R7 does not.
This is flat out wrong. AutoCAD LT would be an improvement as a front end
to Inventor's IDW.
 
Also, marketing seams to be another word for (edited) lately. I don't appreciate it at all. From the way it sounds the
design team working on this software is not one to blame. I see
some great work in each new release of Inventor. So if the design team
thinks that we are right then they should send this stuff on to
marketing.
 
I'm done for now! EEEEEEEERRRRR
 
Matt
 
Message 12 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"7 releases"

actually there have been 8.. (don't forget 5.3)

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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"ohunome" wrote in message
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Message 13 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I'll have to go along with the fact that Inventor isn't very good at
divining how long it's going to take me to model something.
~Larry


"jiml" wrote in message news:f167ac3.5@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> when it cost me deadlines and time to fix what was right yes I will bash
them. when they say MAKE YOUR DEADLINES WITH INVENTOR then it better work so
far I missed 3 deadlines because of the bugs and other (Edited) things.
> THIS COST ME MONEY NOT JUST TIME!!!!!!!!!!! are you going to pay for this
Rich NO
Message 14 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

 
 
I agree that comments should be constructive but
some venting IMHO is OK and sometimes required. If Autodesk does not hear what
we are really struggling with will they ever know?
Perhaps the problem here is this particular
newsgroup is not the best place for these comments. MANY MANY moons ago we used
to have a marketing Newsgroup for exactly this reason. Trouble is because it was
a group full of niggles and complaints Autodesk pulled it.....
A iMarketing or iComments group would be a better
place so those that object to having to read these types of post amongst the
technical stuff simply would not have to look in that newsgroup
Message 15 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Just so everyone knows, I edited the first few posts with words that don't fall within the
guidelines, but I don't have time for it, so they are now just being deleted. If you
quote it back yours will be removed also.


--
Kent
Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
Message 16 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

FAIK, it's always been pretty much a rule that only little people may be
"held accountable". ... "Let them eat cake"
~Larry


"Mark A. Bystry" wrote in message
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> ...for the most part i agree with you. generally, i am pretty pleased with
> autodesk products. however, some of the "bashing" is justified. we are all
> designers or engineers and we chose this product to help us do our jobs.
we
> make promises based on the promises from autodesk and when they are broken
> or something does not work as advertised it's the users that end up
looking
> like the jack@#$. especially if the users have deadlines. we are always
held
> accountable but i haven't seen autodesk held accountable one time. i have
> often wondered if it was necessary to rush 7 releases in like 4 years. why
> are they moving so fast? i'd like to see autodesk slow things down and
> concentrate on getting their products right. we can accept a few bugs but
> some of the stuff that i have seen and read just amazes me. i love having
> new features to play with in each release but if one of those new features
> crashes my 150 component assembly forcing me to start from scratch, i'll
> gladly be patient enough to wait for that feature to be bug free rather
than
> half baked...
>
> --
> Mark A. Bystry
> Engineer
> Ziggity Systems, Inc.
> mbystry@ziggity,com
>
>
Message 17 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous



keep it clean guys

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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"Kent Keller" wrote in message
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> Just so everyone knows, I edited the first few posts with words that don't
fall within the
> guidelines, but I don't have time for it, so they are now just being
deleted. If you
> quote it back yours will be removed also.
Message 18 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"I do find it refreshing that more and more
developers are venturing into the forums here to discuss the problems and
whatnot the average user finds in Inventor"

 

Actually, I don't see near as many Autodesk people
on this site as I did a couple of years ago.
Message 19 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Ah 5.3, the crown jewel of IV at least IMHO
let us not soon forget 5.3..5.3....5.3....


"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
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> "7 releases"
>
> actually there have been 8.. (don't forget 5.3)
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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> "ohunome" wrote in message
> news:f167ac3.3@WebX.maYIadrTaRb..
>
>
Message 20 of 105
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

There are four things I can immediately think
of that Autodesk does to directly contribute to the frustration
level.

 

1)  Making wild claims about the product in
their sales propaganda that real users know is a load of reeking
fertilizer.  Inventor's much touted dwg compatibility (cough) is a
classic example of this.  This begs the question: Does Autodesk *really*
know what it's like to actually try to use these "features"?  After putting
up with the same problems release after release, the only conclusion is that
they really do believe their own pasture decor.  This reinforces the notion
that they aren't really listening to their customers (and yet 'customer driven'
is one of their favorite marketing phrases).  No matter how close this is
to the truth, it's easy to believe because.....

 

2) They never tell us anything.  To get any
real information out of an Autodesk employee, you have to put the screws on 'em
until they give in and bend the rules a bit, throwing out a hint while
looking over their shoulder as if the software cops are going to jump out of the
bushes and drag them off for six months of correctional shock treatments and a
partial lobotomy.  Ok, maybe they have to be that way, but when you
contrast the bare trickle of hard usable information from engineering with the
gushing flood of self-serving hype from marketing, it's easy to see why
folks are getting tense.  And the tension just increases every
time.....

 

3) They issue a release with new features that
have every user I know saying:.......Whaaat??  Except in the case of R7 is
was more like:..........Wheeeere??  With the upcoming IV7Pro, we're all
just speechless.  Stinging from being called armatures if we don't buy the
new add-on, dumbfounded that they'd have the audacity to crow about how it's not
really an add-on and therefore they're not really like the competition at all,
and at a loss for words wondering how many of the fixes we've asked for for so
long got shoved aside in favor of this....this thing.  Ok, so I'm not
speechless, but we still need the fixes.  Those fixes, by the way, are
only outstanding because.....

 

4) They release half-baked features, then
never seem to finish them.  From the BOM to text handling to dimensioning
to the part library (and the list could go on and on...), Inventor is full of
stuff that was brought just to the level where it's tolerable, and the
workarounds are 'acceptable' (to someone who doesn't have to use them all day),
and just left there.  Not just through one release.  When Autodesk
introduces a feature that is obviously not really done yet, and then
does little to make it actually usable in the following releases,
people start wondering who's looking after the big picture.

 

A lot of this frustration has some
justification.  It's roots are in a feeling of betrayal. 
Autodesk had best take notice; the time when everyone would
tolerate Inventor's little hissy-fits because the software was young is
quickly passing.

 

Walt Jaquith

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