Sketch Fillet option, but no chamfer?

[LibertyMachine]

Doing a quick sketch, I see there is an option to put a fillet of any size on the corners of the sketch. No option for chamfer though, or is it hidden?

[jeff_strater]

It seems that I have to post a version of this every couple of months...  We are not "refusing" to implement this.  Also not true that "some at Autodesk have their own idea on how users should build their models".  Those are unfair characterizations.  If you've spent much time on this forum, you have seen that there are dozens of items that are in a similar category as this:  "extremely basic features" that Fusion does not yet support.  Everyone seems to be so outraged that their pet "basic feature" has not been implemented yet.  

Fusion does not have an infinite number of resources.  So, we have to make priority choices.  When we decide what to implement, and in what order, we have to make tradeoffs between those dozens of requests, as well as strategic direction from our management and product management.  There are lots of factors that go into the decision making around which new features to implement in which order.  While the people on this thread are passionate about this particular capability, the actual number of requests for it has not been as high as some other capabilities, and there are workarounds (yes, I realize the workarounds are tedious), so it hasn't yet risen to the top of the list before.

That said, sketch chamfer is high on the list for Fusion, and while I cannot make promises about when it might be delivered, it is currently in kind of an "on deck" position for the sketch team.

Sorry if this comes across as defensive.  It probably is.

[LibertyMachine]

One of the things I've been seeing a lot of, (and it's gotten real old, real quick), is this idea of "Autodesk doesn't care about issue XYZ, they apparently don't care about us". It's utter rubbish and anyone actually holding that idea should be slapped upside the head. Like Jeff said, it's a matter of more pressing issues and hierarchy of need/importance.

To the users wanting this; go read the RoadMap Update. Go down to the Sketch section and see this gem:

So, Autodesk is listening to us, even though it's not at the rate some of us would really prefer. Take the good with the bad, and don't come here so self important and act like Autodesk has done this grave injustice to humanity. It's absurd beyond belief.

[Anonymous]

"It's absurd beyond belief."

To suggest that a rudimentary and foundational drafting procedure isn't "important" - in your words - is absurd. It's not only an issue, it's an omission.

We'd really like to install a front door in that opening to your house - but we're working on running and testing the wiring for your sprinkler control system. Hang tight - we hear you, and we'll get that door on eventually.

I don't know when that blog post is from (can't find that entry), but I guess adding chamfering is far more complex than anyone might imagine.

[LibertyMachine · Accepted solution]

Bzzzzt. Wrong. I didn't say it wasn't important, and my "absurd beyond belief" comment is about the false outrage  culture and "Autodesk doesn't care about us" mentality. Your analogy is lacking, just a bit. If, using a home metaphor, it would be more appropriate to say; "I'd like 10 outlets in this room, but I only have 4. Guess I'll have to run a few multi-plug for a bit while they're working on larger issues".

Is there a way around the issue? Yes. Is it tedious? Also yes. Would it be great if it didn't have to be that way? Yep. But, they DO listen, and they WILL implement it. So, simmer down a notch 🙂

The roadmap was posted a month ago. By company policy, I know they cannot commit to a "when". But, they've publicly shown that it's on the list of improvements. Hang in there and it will show up eventually.

Hey, at least there's a method of making it happen, although tedious. I invite you to look at the CAM side, where there are somethings that aren't even possible, workaround or not. Nature of the beast; young product still being developed. In time, all these things will be sorted out.

[Anonymous]

Hi Seth,

"Like Jeff said, it's a matter of more pressing issues and hierarchy of need/importance."

Your words, albeit echoed from another member, whereby you seem to be suggesting that other things are more important, and possibly then that everyone should feel that way, or be fully appreciative of all the undoubtedly hard work going into features they may never use.

But ask someone who needs the chamfer operation at that stage of design day in and day out, and I think you'll find someone far less enthusiastic about workarounds, especially when they take place at a different design stage / function.

Regarding my analogy - Wall outlets in your example all have the same function. Mine references a situation in which something with a unique function is absent. I get what you're saying, though.

Actually a bit of a moot point for me - I'm not sure if my subscription has run out, but I've stopped using the software since exporting 3D files in the format I need to render was taking a profoundly long time, even with very simple files.

I really like it, though, so when I revisit from time to time, I'll be looking for chamfering 😉

[LibertyMachine]

And I get you, I do. I wish there was a magic wand that could be waved and everyone's greatest need is instantly addressed. It just doesn't work that way, sadly.

Curious, what is the use case for needing chamfer in sketches? As I mentioned many replies ago (I was the one that started this whole thread), my "ask" came about because of my time spent in other CAD packages and it was just how I learned to create sketches. Since my parts always end up as 3d models, it was a slight modification of mindset to adjust to just putting chamfers on the model after the fact.

[Anonymous]

Their excuse is that they have to make certain features a priority. Fine. That makes perfect sense and is absolutely acceptable.

Now explain to me why in the past 4 years why AD has prioritized several new icon sets and cosmetic gui refreshes over something that actually makes designing and manufacturing easier.

No rational person is complaining that you can't have priorities, but rather that your priorities are so incredibly backward.

LibertyMachine

Nobody *needs* sketch chamfers. Nobody *needs* half the features that F360 has. But a large CAD/CAM program like this shouldn't be designed with the thought process that users should get only what they absolutely need and nothing else. If I'm making a 2d sketch for a waterjet cutter and need to chamfer some corners the only option is to do it manually (tedious) or make a sketch, extrude a 3d model, chamfer the edges, and project the model back onto a sketch to export the dxf for manufacture.

Just because *you* don't see the use for an incredibly basic feature doesn't mean it has no use.

[LibertyMachine]

Fair question. Continuing with the house analogy and all that's involved..

The plumbers have 3 people on the team, there are 4 roofers and a dozen carpenters. Should the carpenter do the wiring or plumbing? Or should the roofer work on the carpentry?

So it is with development; teams are of various sizes and responsibilities. It's not a universal application of knowledge, but rather, a specific and tailored one. The UI team is not the Sketch team, and the Sketch team is not the CAM team (thank goodness!!). Each team has their own responsibilities and goals to work towards. No, they aren't always aligned with what us users want to see happening, but, "thems the breaks". Having used the software for going on 6 years now, I've come to accept incremental change and small victories when they come to fruition. I've also understood that it's not a case of "them not listening to us" but more a case of "holy crap we have so much to do and get through" and assigning of priorities. It would be so awesome of they could just reach into AutoCad or Inventor and grab this or that function, but the software is so dissimilar there isn't even the possibility of that happening.

-EDIT-

I never said that it wasn't needed. I know there's a need. Sketch based machining and PCB's are great examples of why they should be in the product. I'm just suggesting a bit of patience and gentle pressure is going to get far better results.

[Anonymous]

Hey Seth-

"Curious, what is the use case for needing chamfer in sketches?"

First, remember that "needed" and "desiring" are two different things; one can also drive a nail in with a book.

I think there are a lot of reasons, even if it comes down to the idea that it's how some (or many) people learned to draw and draft.

However, there are far more technical reasons -

• Maybe someone is making a CNC path, for example.
• Maybe someone else is designing an object in which un-chamfered (is that a word?) corners would otherwise cross into nearby material/geometry.
• Maybe someone is designing a complex extrusion or model that's created/solved through drawing layered shapes with chamfers that have to be designed and maintained in a very specific fixed or changing relationship.
  
  These would likely all be less practical in 3D, primarily when the goal is not a 3D object.
  
  There are undoubtedly a lot more reasons - but I think that a lot of folks here, rather than asking "why?", are asking "why not?" - and, in my opinion, that questioning is valid regardless of a single individual's specific reasoning or justification for including the functionality.

[LibertyMachine]

Right! My questioning of the "need" was actually a positive question. Little secret; when there is a defined "need", other than a "want", it's often the case where things can be moved up in priority. Not saying that's the case here and "boom, here it is, sorry for the wait", but when there is a clear reason, it can take higher priority.

[Anonymous]

"The plumbers have 3 people on the team, there are 4 roofers and a dozen carpenters. Should the carpenter do the wiring or plumbing? Or should the roofer work on the carpentry?"

What wiring? You didn't say we had electricians! 😉

Should the wiring be done before the roof/wall sheathing is complete? After all, there may be a rainstorm with a lot of wind...

Foundations first. Build up.

[Anonymous]

@LibertyMachine 

To build on your house analogy -- why is AD more concerned about repainting the kitchen when the foundation isn't even complete? That's the source of my annoyance, and probably many other people who have been following this thread for *FOUR YEARS*. The fact that a feature request for something every competitor has (including AD's other products) has been pushed aside for *FOUR YEARS* while they kept enough graphic designers on staff to revamp the gui several times is almost insulting. If they prioritized things like performance (which is still disappointingly inefficient), or more advanced modeling tools, or even a better rendering pipeline it would at least make sense. But when shiny new toolbar icons are more important than actual usable features there is a problem with AD's management. In *FOUR YEARS* they haven't prioritized basic functionality. How can I have faith in the future of a product that is managed that way?

[geraldft]

This seems like stubbornness I think as much as seemingly misplaced priorities, though it's a relief to hear it is finally on the list!  You can only go on telling people for so long, that if they want something and don't need it, then they shouldn't have it.   I also write software used by many others who all have different ideas, often they request some feature which I know is somehow already covered in another way, but when it happens frequently then it becomes obvious - I should just suck it up and do it.  Then I don't have to field all these questions...  and we can all move on...

[Anonymous]

No sketch option that I see but if you can extrude the sketch you can use the chamfer option in the solids. 

[Anonymous]

That's been discussed before and it is absolutely ridiculous to draw a sketch, extrude to a solid, chamfer the corners, then project back to a sketch so send off to a laser /waterjet/mill.

[geraldft]

Yeah.   They just won't give up... !  Even though apparently Autodesk has finally given in to the inevitable.  🙂  

[geraldft]

Actually no they haven't fixed it yet - just claimed it's on the list.  They are still too busy breaking things for Win7 users instead.     (Try and draw a circle in sketch with a specific radius...!  )

[TrippyLighting]

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@geraldft wrote:

...  They are still too busy breaking things for Win7 users instead.    

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Windows 7 is not officially supported anymore, neither by Microsoft nor by Autodesk.

That has been communicated clearly!

[Anonymous]

Be patient, everyone.

It's only been about four and a half years. How easy do you think it is to program a 2D chamfer??

[seth.madore]

😐