Parts list not working

Parts list not working

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Parts list not working

Anonymous
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Hi,

 

I'm new to F360, but slowly getting there.


I'm having issues with the parts list. First of all it does not retrieve the data from model properties. This means not item number nor name.

 

Second of all it does only list the full assembly, but none of the components are listed. This means only one component on the parts list (the full assembly).

 

By the way, how's it going with the editable title block. I would like to add my own instead of having to choose between ISO or ASME.

 

Regards

Simon

 

 

 

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Message 2 of 14

cmiller66
Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi Simon,

How are the components structured in the assembly? The parts list reflects the top level of components for the selection you're creating the drawing for, so in this case (Design contains 4 boxes, each is a component):

 

    4comps.png

If you create a drawing of the entire design you will get a parts list with 4 line items (and component Properties):

    4comps_PL.png  

But if I create a drawing of the whole design for this case (4 boxes are sub-components under a Component):

    4subcomps.png

I will get a single line item in the parts list and no properties since the Component actually contains multiple sub-components:

    4subcomps_PL.png

From your description it sounds like this may be the reason.

 

In this case (nested sub-components) you will get all of the sub-components and properties listed in the parts list if you create the drawing from the top component node in the browser, not the whole design.

 

If you can send me or share your design with me (christopher dot miller @ autodesk dot com) I can take a look and see if we're looking at expected behavior or a bug.  I am guessing though it's the structure of the components in the design that's leading to what you're seeing.

 

In the next Update we are enhancing view creation to allow views of different selections to be placed in the same drawing.  Parts lists for each of these views will reflect the view you select.  We are also adding the ability to insert an image into the existing titleblock, but for now this will be on a per-drawing basis.  Work is underway for custom titleblock creation/editing which will persist for new drawings (customizations will be saved in the drawing template) but this is still in progress (another update or 2?).

 

Thanks,
Chris

 

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Anonymous
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HI Chris,

 

Thx for you reply! This is exactly the case. How can I get around it? Can I move the sub-components to the same level as the top-assembly?

 

Perhaps you also can help me with this rather annoying problem. In 2D the dimensions always gets the ikon "reassosiate". No matter how precise I pick the lines, it always pops up.

 

Regards

 

Simon

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Message 4 of 14

cmiller66
Autodesk
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Hi Simon,

You can move the sub-components up a level, or if the entire assembly you want to create the drawing of consists of sub-components, in the design browser you can right click the component they're under and create a new drawing from there.

 

Sorry to hear your dimensions are not behaving, which dimension tool are you using, the "single dimension" tool (this is the default) or the individual Linear, Aligned, Radius, etc. tools on the drop-down?  To create a properly associated dimension you need to acquire the geometry (say you're selecting a line or arc) or points (if you're familiar with AutoCAD it's the snap points, Center, Endpoint, etc.).  What type of geometry is it?  If the scale of the view is not 1:1, and the dimension is coming in disassociated is the value correct (for the design) or off by some factor (for a 1:4 scale view it might be 1/4 the value you're expecting).

 

If you can share or send the design/drawing (christopher.miller@autodesk.com) I'd be happy to take a look, depending on geometry acquiring the right point can sometimes take some extra care but it should definitely not be happening all the time.

 

Thanks,
Chris

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Anonymous
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Hi  Christopher,

 

Thx for your mail, and sorry my late reply.

 

I just can't see how to change the level of the components, so I'm able to make the parts list. Also the dimensioning keeps getting disassociated, no matter what I do.

 

I'll invite you to the project once I get home from work today. Somehow I'm not able to work online on my computer at work.

 

Regards

Simon

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Message 6 of 14

cmiller66
Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi Simon,

If the components you want to create the drawing of are all contained under a top-level Component, you can create a drawing of just that component (and get the sub-components in the parts list) by using the new drawing option off the right-click menu for that top level component:

CreateNewDrawing.png

 

Alternately using this same design as an example if you selected those four sub-components in the browser and dragged/dropped them on the top level Design node, then creating a drawing of the whole design would list the 4 components in the parts list.

 

Looking forward to taking a look at your design/project. Sorry to hear the dimensions are not behaving, we'll get to the bottom of this...

 

Thanks,
Chris

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Message 7 of 14

Anonymous
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Hi Chris,

 

Thanx for your reply. I'll try your hits today:)

 

I've invited you to my project. It would be nice if you would have a look at the folder "2d tegninger", this is where my 2d drawiings are placed, and where i struggling with the dimensions.

 

Thanx a lot for your help:)

 

Best regards

Simon

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Message 8 of 14

cmiller66
Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi Simon,

Thanks for sharing the project.  A few comments:

1.  I did verify that creating a new drawing from the "samling" top-level component (right-click the component > Create new drawing) resulted in the expected parts list

2.  For the dimensions, were they disassociated on creation or were they initially associated then lost it after a drawing or design update?

 

Some actions will disassociate all dimensions, for example if you create a drawing of a body, add dimensions, then convert that body to a component in the design.  Now this is considered a new entity and the dimensions will disassociate on drawing update.  In your case though some dimensions are still associated, so this doesn't appear to be the case.  Similarly, manually grip-editing one of the dimension origin points will disassociate the dimension (stretching the dim or moving the text via those grips will not break associativity).

 

If they were initially created and not getting badged, do you recall what was done since then?  This very well could be a bug, but it would be good to know the exact steps.  I re-associated the dimensions in the 100003 and 100001 drawings, in one of those cases the dimensions were not actually snapped to the design geometry:

DisassocDims.PNG

 

Do you recall if these were originally snapped to the centers of those holes?


Thanks,
Chris

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Message 9 of 14

Anonymous
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Hi Chris,

 

Thank you so much for your involvement!

 

I'll try making the part list today! Can't wait:)

 

Concerning the dimensions, they are disassociated from the moment I make the dimension. I know it'll loose the catch point when I update the part, but this is not the case. Even though you found one dimension which were not snapped correct to the entity, then I'm normal very precise when snapping to the geometry.

I'm pretty sure that I've done it correct, so I think it's a bug in Fusion.

 

Regards

Simon:)

 

 

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Anonymous
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Ups, didn't see you asked for the dimensions  on the holes on the print screen. Yes, I know for sure they were attached to the center.

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cmiller66
Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi Simon,

OK thank you for the information.  While point selection for dimensions can sometimes be a bit finicky (depending on the view geometry), it shouldn't result in dimensions always being disassociated.  For those dimensions that now have their extension points off of the part, if those originally pointed to the center of the holes and didn't update correctly, that's definitely a bug.  The only time this is expected is when the geometry the dimension is referring to is deleted.  As I mentioned above, some actions (like converting a body to a component, or sometimes combining parts or doing some drastic edit) will disassociate the dim on view update, but it shouldn't be a regular occurrence.

 

I will try to repro here, if you see this happening again please let me know (you can email me directly), I'd like to get to the bottom of this...  In the meantime, during creation if the dim comes up badged it means the snap point wasn't acquired.  You'll see the indicator (green box for endpoint, green circle for center) when the point is being acquired.  If you see those while picking your points and still end up with yellow badges, please let me know.

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

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Message 12 of 14

j.hancock01
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Hello,

 

I'm also having problems with the parts list in the model. Occasionally the data from the properties of a linked sub component does not get carried over into the main assembly model and hence the part number and description don't get entered correctly in the parts list. Here's an example:

 

This is the part, with the part numbers and description from the high level component. 

 Part.JPG

 

It's linked in this assembly, but the part number and description haven't been transferred from the part (they do in the other parts)

 

Assembly.JPG

 

And hence they aren't correct in the parts list on the drawing:

 

Drawing.JPG

 

It  works fine for the other parts. I've managed to work around similar issues to this in before by doing something minor (like turning on and off visibility of a body) and re-saving the part so it re-loads in the assembly - sometimes it'll also update the part details in the assembly. This one is more tricky and doesn't seem to update. 

 

I've also had issues that joints in assemblies become undefined (yellow or red in the timeline) when I just update the part numbers and description of linked parts with no other changes to the parts - again this only happens occasionally but it is a bit frustrating. Any ideas most welcome.

 

Best wishes

 

Jon Hancock

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Message 13 of 14

cmiller66
Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi Jon,

Would it be possible for you to export this drawing/design and send it to me?  From the Data Panel, click the "i" on the drawing item, then Open details in A360, then in the upper right corner of the next page select Download > Fusion 360 Archive and send me that file (christopher.miller@autodesk.com).  As you discovered, it looks like the link between the xref component and the parent design is where the issue is.

 

After exporting and downloading the design (as is) can you try editing that component (say turn a body off/on without changing the geometry), saving, then updating the Assembly again?  This extra step shouldn't be required but should force the update.

 

Thanks,
Chris

Message 14 of 14

j.hancock01
Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Hi Chris,

 

Thank you for your message. I had some issues sending the file you requested (see email I've sent). However, I think you're right - turning on & off a body in the part then saving worked sometimes. Other times it seemed to just corrupt other parts. I think the root cause was Fusion using old files from the cloud cache on this computer (even though I was working on-line). I followed these steps to clear the cache (for the benefit of anyone else that might have similar issues reading this) and it seems to be ok now (touch wood):

 

- Zip up the cloud cache folder. This folder is found in a place similar to this:
C:\Users\<winnt-folder>\AppData\Local\Autodesk\Autodesk Fusion 360\<cloud-cache-folder\W.login\F
The cloud-cache-folder will look something like this: EEZ9QQFUVTHM
- Delete the whole F folder

 

Best wishes

 

Jon