Face 1 Missing

Face 1 Missing

rafa_ssa
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Face 1 Missing

rafa_ssa
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Hi, does anyone have any idea on how to fix this warning?

Warning: Cup opening scketch
1 Reference Failures The model is using cached geometry to solve. Please reselect reference geometry for failed features in the timeline.

As you can see in the image that magenta face was probably automatically added to the sketch because it was an emboss on the object that the sketch was created. Now the emboss was removed and I can't find a way to remove that unnecessary face.

I can't click select that face and it only appear when I click on "Review warning".

I've tried to "Redefine Sketch Plane" to the same object or even to an new object. Nothing seems to be able to remove that face.

 

Please help!

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jhackney1972
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Please attach your model giving you this issue.  If you do not know how to attach your Fusion 360 model follow these easy steps. Open the model in Fusion 360, select the File menu, then Export and save as a F3D or F3Z file to your hard drive. Then use the Attachments section, of a forum post, to attach it.

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rafa_ssa
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Hi John, Tks for your reply!

Please find the file attached to this message.

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jhackney1972
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All you need to do is reconstruct your sketch.  By the way, you had some unconstrained sketch geometry in this sketch and in the other component.  I did not correct the sketch in the other component.  Model is attached.

 

If this answers your question, please select the "Accept Solution" icon on my post. If you have further questions, please ask.

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jhackney1972
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By the way, if you would like to eliminate the top face ring from your model, all you need to do is modify the Extrusion order in your timeline.  Model is attached with this done.

 

Face Ring.jpg

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TrippyLighting
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@rafa_ssa wrote:

Hi, does anyone have any idea on how to fix this warning?

Warning: Cup opening scketch
1 Reference Failures The model is using cached geometry to solve. Please reselect reference geometry for failed features in the timeline.

As you can see in the image that magenta face was probably automatically added to the sketch because it was an emboss on the object that the sketch was created. Now the emboss was removed and I can't find a way to remove that unnecessary face.

I can't click select that face and it only appear when I click on "Review warning".

I've tried to "Redefine Sketch Plane" to the same object or even to an new object. Nothing seems to be able to remove that face.

 

Please help!


This isn't an "unnecessary face". It is Fusion telling you that is where the face was that you deleted.

You should not delete features in the timeline and then ignore the waring messages it provides you with. 

 


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rafa_ssa
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Hi John tks for your attention and time. I am really new to Fusion360 and this is my first post. When you say "All you need to do is reconstruct your sketch" is there a "Reconstruct" button that I am missing? Maybe in the payed version? What about of reconstruct without loosing or breaking everything that I could possible have done to that component? This version that I've uploaded was my desperate version after spending several hours looking for a solution and reverting things to make sure I wasn't missing something. If there is no straight forward way to remove that loose face shouldn't this be considered a bug?

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rafa_ssa
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Hi @TrippyLighting, tks for your reply. I really needed to remove the emboss that was there and that probably caused that loose face. What would be the correct way of removing it without breaking or causing the warns? And if the warn is a normal thing that needs to be fixed how do I fix it?

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jhackney1972
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No, there is no Reconstruct command.  By reconstruct I mean simply re-sketch it on the correct plane and the use the new sketch for the Extrude.  I opened your original sketch, copied the parametric equation from the first sketch and applied it to a new circle which was constrained.  Then just offset it and fixed to extrusion to it. This process will automatically remove the lost face.  You are not seeing or experiencing a problem with the application. 

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TrippyLighting
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@rafa_ssa wrote:

 If there is no straight forward way to remove that loose face shouldn't this be considered a bug?


There is no loose face! What you see isn't actual geometry that you can model with.

It is a highlight to indicate that your model is broken. You broke it 😉

 

Edit: I looked at that sketch a little closer. I would consider this a bug. None of the sketch items in that sketch reference anything. We should be able to repair that just as we can repair missing projections in a sketch. I would not be surprised if Phil is going to disagree with that, but I am going to tag him anyway @Phil.E  


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TrippyLighting
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You will make your life much easier if you simplify your sketch (and fully constrain and dimension it).

Eliminate all of those fillets from the sketch I indicated with red lines. After you extrude the object, apply those solid feature fillets. 

 

TrippyLighting_0-1733356764059.png

 

 


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rafa_ssa
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Hi @jhackney1972 thank you again! I understand your proposed solution, but looks like @TrippyLighting is also considering it to be a bug and tagged @Phil.E. Hopefully my issue can help with the application improvement. I don't think the application should allow a user to land into a state that the only way to recover is by reconstruction everything from that point forward.

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rafa_ssa
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Thank you for for your advice! I will take it in consideration on my next project!

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rafa_ssa
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Hi @TrippyLighting@jhackney1972, and @Phil.E.

I was able to retrieve the original fie from a backup, cleanup and export again. Please see the file attached.

If you remove the second emboss in the history marker you will be able to reproduce the issue yourself.

File before removing the embossFile before removing the emboss

Before removing emboss ☝️

 

After removing embossAfter removing emboss

After removing emboss ☝️

 

My goal here was to create a Bayonet mount mechanism. I was trying to do everything by heart, but after this fail I found better samples online.

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Phil.E
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I'll send this to the sketch QA for comment. Thanks.





Phil Eichmiller
Software Engineer
Quality Assurance
Autodesk, Inc.


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sameer_babarNJS6C
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@rafa_ssa @TrippyLighting 
Sorry for the inconvenience caused & Thank you for sharing the files. I can reproduce the issue at our end with file provided by you . Our team will analyse it further more.

We have logged an issue FUS-182390 for it & we are looking for the solution .

 

Thanks,
Sameer Babar.
Autodesk Fusion Team