Workspace toolbar placement not saving

[rsuppa]

I'm using Autocad 2018.

I arrange my toolbars to the desired locations and save my workspace. To test I move one toolbar to the middle of screen, reload my workspace I previously saved, nothing changes. It doesn't appear that it saves toolbar locations. Is this correct?

Second example. I save my workspace, go to cui and remove all my custom toolbars, apply and close. Go back into cui and bring back in (transfer from the master cuix) my custom toolbars, apply, close, all custom toolbars are stacked on top of one another. Load my workspace, nothing changes, the custom toolbars remain stacked on top of one another, not in the locations I had them in when I saved the workspace.

I have this issue on all of our users computers. We are a startup and the custom toolbars, menu's etc are changing quite frequently so every time they need to be updated, each user has to re-arrange the custom toolbars. I'm not sure what saving a workspace is for, if not to save what toolbars, menu's etc are visible and there respective locations.

I've searched high and low for an answer and came up with nothing. Any help would be appreciated.

Mike

[rsuppa]

I need to add top and right under my personal workspace in the partial cuix... I should have picked that up. I'm going to assume that will get things in the right hemisphere, but also assume not in the correct location.

Heading in this direction it seems that this is not an ideal solution. I would think that when you save your workspace and it would take care of locations without having to dig into the cui and adjust orientations of toolbars. 

[dmfrazier]

Since I posted about the Appearance settings in CUI editor, I have learned that those settings are only relevant to CUIX files that are loaded as "partial" (I did not realize this), so I think this explains your experience. Unloading and re-loading a partial CUI will force the toolbars and other dockable elements to their default positions (assuming the default display setting is "add to workspaces"). I would not save a "personal" workspace in a CUI that will be loaded as partial. It should be saved in the "main" CUI, which should be in a folder you have modify rights to, so that you can save changes to it.

To be frank, you've reported your observations of so many different combinations of variables now that I'm getting rather confused about what's going on.

[rsuppa]

Adding or removing a personal cuix from a patial cui doesn't affect the outcome. 

I'm as confused as you are as to whats happening. I've tried things that seem reasonable and some that arent. 

Again this should be simple - load a partial cuix, arrange the toolbars and save the workspace, unload the partial cuix, reload it, apply my personal workspace and the toolbars should move to the correct locations. That's how I interpret the functionality of workspaces. This for me never happens fully. Either the tbars are stacked or mixed into the standard autocad toolbars but not in the exact locations. 

Thanks for your time. I'll try this again at a later date with maybe fresh energy and possibly a new idea or two.

[dmfrazier]

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@rsuppawrote:

Adding or removing a personal cuix from a patial cui doesn't affect the outcome. 

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Not sure what you mean by this.

Either the tbars are stacked or mixed into the standard autocad toolbars but not in the exact locations. 

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I believe the "stacking" is "normal" behavior when it occurs in the process of unloading/re-loading a partial CUI  if default locations coincide. In these circumstances, the Appearance settings will control, because at that point the toolbars in the CUI are set either to be added or not added to the current workspace. If they are set to be added automatically, they will assume their default positions. If they are not set to be added, then they will take their default positions if you do something to turn them on in the workspace after re-loading the CUI.

Toolbars from different CUI files have long been notorious for not playing nice with each other. I'm not surprised that there are cases where toolbars do not restore to their last saved positions when switching workspaces or profiles.

[dlanorh]

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@Scottu2wrote:

rsuppa,

Perhaps this lisp routine may help with tool bar locations.

See attached

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Or this over at The Swamp http://www.theswamp.org/index.php?topic=54120.0

[Scottu2]

rsuppa,

I did some checking of what and when Autocad updates things.

I was really confused why it works for my station and not yours.

The post from dmfrazier, go me thinking Where it the toolbar data stored if not in the registry?

My CUIX did not change, but I found the profile.aws and toolpalettes.atc updating on exit.

Then the clue from N4mr4hdlanor's Lisp link,  a reference to the registry!

So... If you can call your steps, check each step against the Read-Write chart for my station and verify the registry and files change/not change.

If yours (anybody) is different post the differences with Acad Version.  There may be a software change.

See attached the screenshots.

Scott U.

[Scottu2]

rsuppa,

I missed the 'However' response in post 20, regarding the switching of  workspaces  resulting in different places.   I will added to the chart when I figure out what's it is doing.

[joey.steed]

Did you ever figure this out?

[Anonymous]

I've never had this issue in 16 years of using AutoCAD and HydraCAD, until a couple days. 
Finally I got help from Hydratec support team and they sent me the document shown in the images below, I followed them step by step, and now my toolbars stay in place when I use the workspace that I created. 

Hope this helps.