Workspace toolbar placement not saving

[rsuppa]

I'm using Autocad 2018.

I arrange my toolbars to the desired locations and save my workspace. To test I move one toolbar to the middle of screen, reload my workspace I previously saved, nothing changes. It doesn't appear that it saves toolbar locations. Is this correct?

Second example. I save my workspace, go to cui and remove all my custom toolbars, apply and close. Go back into cui and bring back in (transfer from the master cuix) my custom toolbars, apply, close, all custom toolbars are stacked on top of one another. Load my workspace, nothing changes, the custom toolbars remain stacked on top of one another, not in the locations I had them in when I saved the workspace.

I have this issue on all of our users computers. We are a startup and the custom toolbars, menu's etc are changing quite frequently so every time they need to be updated, each user has to re-arrange the custom toolbars. I'm not sure what saving a workspace is for, if not to save what toolbars, menu's etc are visible and there respective locations.

I've searched high and low for an answer and came up with nothing. Any help would be appreciated.

Mike

[Scottu2]

rsuppa,

Try adjusting the tool bars the way you want, save the work space,

Then close (to save settings to the registry) and then re-open Autocad (reads registry settings).

[scot-65]

Assuming WSAUTOSAVE is 0 (off)?

???

[rsuppa]

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@Scottu2wrote:

rsuppa,

Try adjusting the tool bars the way you want, save the work space,

Then close (to save settings to the registry) and then re-open Autocad (reads registry settings).

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Same result, the toolbars are stacked on top of one another in what appears to be the default location.

[rsuppa]

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@scot-65wrote:
Assuming WSAUTOSAVE is 0 (off)?

???

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It was set to 1, however I've been toggling this off and on trying to understand it's function. It appears to have no affect on my issue. This morning I toggle it back to 0, tried all the same tests to get it to work and I always get the same result - toolbars stacked on top of one another in the default location (below the ribbon, upper left area)

[dmfrazier]

In the CUI, check the "Appearance" settings for the various toolbars.

[Scottu2]

rsuppa,

When you exit Autocad it records the settings.

If you have a second session of Autocad that you close last, it records those settings.

Setting WSAUTOSAVE (same as work space dialog box to save changes automatically) = 1 tells Autocad to save things you have moved around when you exit.

I used to have it turned on, until 8 other stations reset because their network connection was lost.  So ..., when they exit Autocad it save the new settings.  😞

Now I keep it set manually save the WorkSpace settings.  🙂

[Scottu2]

ruppa,

oops,  I getting my toolpaletts and toolbars mixed up.

When WSAUTOSAVE =1, the changed you make are saved when you change to another workspace.

Changing back to your workspace will contain your latest changes.

It autocad starting up with the standard profile <<acad>>?

[rsuppa]

Where would I find this setting?

[dmfrazier]

Which setting?

[rsuppa]

Sorry, first time replaying directly from my email. I was replying to your post

"In the CUI, check the "Appearance" settings for the various toolbars."

[dmfrazier]

I was referring to this, while in the CUI editor:

The image refers to the Dimension toolbar in the Acad CUI. You would want to look at whatever CUI and toolbars, etc., that you're having issues with.

I don't know if the setting here will affect the issue you're having, but I though it might be worth looking into it.

[rsuppa]

That's interesting.

Under appearance it indicates all the custom toolbars I have in my workspace have the default X and Y locations as 200,200. This makes sense as all my custom toolbars stack on top of one another. Since my built-in (acad) toolbars arrange correctly when clicking on my workspace they have different values.

So I guess what I need to find out is how to get the default custom toolbar X and Y location values in my workspace to match the locations I prefer.

[dmfrazier]

I wouldn't worry so much about those settings.

Experiment with Default Display and Orientation.

[Scottu2]

rsuppa,

Perhaps this lisp routine may help with tool bar locations.

See attached

[dmfrazier]

Can you show us (with a screenshot) how your profile is set as far as loading customization files? Go to Options, Files, Customization files, and expand the "Main" and "Enterprise" paths.

If you monitor the CUIX file that is specified as "main", can you see that the file date/time changes when you save your workspace or shut down AutoCAD? 

[dmfrazier]

Just to be clear, when WSAutoSave is off (=0), after you move a toolbar, are you (1) re-applying (re-selecting) the workspace immediately after moving the toolbar? Or are you (2) switching to another workspace before attempting to re-apply your saved workspace?

If #1, then try #2. With this sequence, your saved workspace (pre-toolbar move) should return, with the toolbar in its pre-move location, because the change you made did not get saved when you switched workspaces. In the case of #1, because there is no switch to another workspace, even though you moved a toolbar, this is still your "current" workspace as far as the Windows registry is concerned. This is "normal" (yet clearly confusing) behavior. If, at this point, you shut down AutoCAD and re-launch, your workspace should still look as it did when you shut down (with the toolbar in its moved position). However, if you now switch to another workspace, and then switch back to your previous named workspace, it should come back as your pre-toolbar move workspace, because (I presume, but do not know for a fact) AutoCAD reads the info from the CUIX file, not from the registry.

[rsuppa]

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@dmfrazierwrote:

Can you show us (with a screenshot) how your profile is set as far as loading customization files? Go to Options, Files, Customization files, and expand the "Main" and "Enterprise" paths.

If you monitor the CUIX file that is specified as "main", can you see that the file date/time changes when you save your workspace or shut down AutoCAD? 

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Currently, I'm only using the main cuix file, acad.cuix and don't have an enterprise path (that's another project). 

When I save my workspace the acad.cuix file updates with the latest time change. When I close autocad it does not update.

[dmfrazier]

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@rsuppawrote:

When I save my workspace the acad.cuix file updates with the latest time change. When I close autocad it does not update.

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That's consistent with my latest post.

Re-applying the existing workspace (apparently) does not cause AutoCAD to re-read the CUIX file to get the workspace info, because (presumably) it already exists (dynamically) in the registry. This is why the moved toolbar does not move back. You must switch to another workspace first, then switch back to get AutoCAD to re-read the workspace info stored in the CUIX.

[rsuppa]

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@dmfrazierwrote:

Just to be clear, when WSAutoSave is off (=0), after you move a toolbar, are you (1) re-applying (re-selecting) the workspace immediately after moving the toolbar? Or are you (2) switching to another workspace before attempting to re-apply your saved workspace?

If #1, then try #2. With this sequence, your saved workspace (pre-toolbar move) should return, with the toolbar in its pre-move location, because the change you made did not get saved when you switched workspaces. In the case of #1, because there is no switch to another workspace, even though you moved a toolbar, this is still your "current" workspace as far as the Windows registry is concerned. This is "normal" (yet clearly confusing) behavior. If, at this point, you shut down AutoCAD and re-launch, your workspace should still look as it did when you shut down (with the toolbar in its moved position). However, if you now switch to another workspace, and then switch back to your previous named workspace, it should come back as your pre-toolbar move workspace, because (I presume, but do not know for a fact) AutoCAD reads the info from the CUIX file, not from the registry.

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I made the switch to step #2 sometime this morning assuming what you've noted above. Same results. 

I've made one change based on your earlier post of adjusting the orientation. I've modified orientation to reflect where the toolbars are (the default for all was floating). I have top and right selected depending on the toolbar.

So now, if I save my personal workspace, move a docked toolbar to center of screen, switch workspaces to drafing and annotation, switch back to my personal workspace - all is well. The toolbar that I placed in the middle of the screen moves back into the correct position, everything looks good. 

However, if I reload my partial cui the custom toolbars are top and right, however not in the correct locations, it appears randomly placed. (This is different than prior to adjusting orientation where they would load stacked.) I then load the drafting and annotation workspace, switch to my personal workspace and again they are stacked one on top of the other.