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[mustafahesenow]

Hi All,

I have made this thread to express my impression on ( Response of development team of our post which include errors need to be corrected and to be checked ).

Many post Showed many errors and issues need to be checked by development team have been reported .

And always Mr. @ Artur.Kosakowski  responded to them ( thank you ) That this problem has been forwarded to development team to check.

Then always it comes with no any feed back . like this problem has been sent to trash .

To Autodesk Development Team and Autodesk Leader Please be noted that we are here not to waste our time and when we report for problem you have to thank us and consider it seriously instead of trash it like that . This is really Ashamed and ridiculous .

[Artur.Kosakowski]

Hi @Romanich

For the expected further questions:

1. Personally I did like the access to updates directly from AKN site

2. I agree that for RSA2018 updates the AKN site should clearly point you to the 'current' locations of updates.

[Rafacascudo]

Couldn't it be , at least , on this forum attached in the corresponding thread?

[mustafahesenow]

Hi Guys,

This is really reflect the intention of Autodesk to RSA.

[Anonymous]

This also reflects those intentions.

I just gonna let this here and run!

https://projectdelivery.autodesk.com/blog/connected-bim-structural-design/?linkId=46169004

[Rafacascudo]

   If RSA future depends on Michael´s vision for structural analysis , then we can start looking for another software structural package.

It´s beautiful on paper but I doubt very much that it will be feasable even on a medium period of time. Without fixing RSA and the Revit analytic model conversion to a Robot usable file ,it will NEVER work. RSA itself  and REVIT -RSA integration are the weakest links on all this "Bim connected cloud" madness.

 Can anyone with reasonable structural analysis awareness/conscience trust on a software that can´t deliver a trustable solution concerning all needed structural analysis types.

  So what´s the point on purchasing the Autodesk AEC collection/bundle if it will not be the complete solution to all your needs?

It´s so obvious for us all here at the forum that it is surprisingly astounding the autodesk cannot notice that!!!

And more than that , what do they think that keep the whole building(including all disciplines) secure on its "feet" ??? Shouldn't it be where to continuously  invest more and more resources??

[Artur.Kosakowski]

@mustafahesenow

@Rafacascudo

This is really reflect the intention of Autodesk to RSA.

I do understand your state of mind and I'm sorry for having you feel this way but let's try to have some 'distance' to some actions.

As I wrote I do understand that the easy access to all updates from the same location on the AKN product site was nice to have but the change introduced for 2018 releases applies to all programs rather that RSA only and IMHO opinion (especially when programs are grouped in collections rather than being sold separately) it allows to check if there are updates for other programs from a collection at the same time.

For the idea of having the access to the update directly from the forum there are two points that I'd like to focus your attention to:

1. In many situations these updates are by far too large to be directly attached to a post and therefore such post contain the links to the download locations (or means how to get there) instead.

2. As it has been decided that the updates are to be downloaded and installed through Autodesk Desktop Application and Autodesk.Account rather than from the AKN site using the forum (e.g. for the reasons I indicated above and bearing in mind that not all users are a forum participants or even look at it) making it available on the forum (rather than on the AKN product site) makes IMHO opinion limited sense.

Writing the above I will check if we can have a similar information about RSA 2018 updates as for Revit in the RSA AKN site when I'm back in the office.

Hoping this makes the reason of the change easier to understand I'd like to wish you all a happy New Year.

See you all again in 2018 hopefully in a better mood :-).

[StefanoPasquini6790]

Artur, as far as I know, the next year will 2018 and not 2019!!!!

Don't let you contage by the adsk "confused future vision"!

I want to thak you for all your commitment, and also the Rafal end Pawel one, and I want to wish you and your parents an happy and luminous 2018, as I hope (but I know that it's onky an hope) for Robot.

[Artur.Kosakowski]

Hi Stefano,

Artur, as far as I know, the next year will 2018 and not 2019!!!!

Indeed. Corrected. Thank you 

Don't let you contage by the adsk "confused future vision"!

I want to thak you for all your commitment, and also the Rafal end Pawel one, and I want to wish you and your parents an happy and luminous 2018, as I hope (but I know that it's onky an hope) for Robot.

Thank you. All the best for You and your family too.

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[Anonymous]

the way I see it is that BIM was never analyzed on the level of feasibility, that is implementation of the idea to the design process. The main plan for marketing and forcing upon people the idea of BIM is to create a demand for additional software: Revit. It's a license that You will have to pay for year after year, adding to the list of programs that you have to annually pay for. Then maybe another program: FUSION, or maybe InfraWorks 😉

I'm not saying that Revit is overall bad, but IMHO its a program for creating formwork drawings and at most using the models for RC drawings.

Overall I don't need Robot for my work anymore, I've learned other software. this other software is created by companies that mainly focus on FEA + addons for element design according to the specific material standards (pretty much Robobat 10 years ago). I understand that some of you are used to Robot, but it's not that hard to learn new software and You will notice the benefit of having a better tool instantly.

I'm only sorry for this program, because it has Polish legacy.

[mustafahesenow]

This is exactly what will happen when Company Like Autodesk rely on someone who is not engineer and doesn't have experience in structural analysis to plan and set the strategy of structural engineering .

Something funny really for big company like Autodesk to have this.

I challenge all these guys who responsible of this cloud **** for structural analysis If they can do structural analysis for vila 2 floors correctly .

So what do we need to expect .

Its all mess.

Stupid Strategy. 

[mustafahesenow]

Hi @StefanoPasquini6790 @Anonymous @Artur.Kosakowski @Rafacascudo @Anonymous @scott-sheppard-autodesk

I would like to ask Mr Michael how many days I should wait until I finish The static , dynamic  analysis including P-Delta , and construction sequence to finish like this analysis if exist in his cloud .

Doha Oasis  The biggest Amusement Park in Middle East :

4 Basements each one has almost 68000 m2  +Ground floor amusement park with  68000 m2 + 2 floors mall  each floor has 15500 m2+technical floor + 10 Residential floors with area for each one 10500 m2  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOfg4XjIh-g 

Mesh size 2.5m 

With RSA including intel math kernel for Multi threaded solver take almost 10 hours .

Could you please explain to us how I will analyze this model with your cloud ? How much it will take time ?

This is really ball**** I feel we are talking in level much higher than level you wish To reach it .

RSA IS The BEST 

# Save Our RSA 

Happy New Year Guys.

[t.sautierr]

Excellent post!

[t.sautierr]

Excellent post again! I cannot tell more

[mustafahesenow]

I hope that @scott-sheppard-autodesk Can explain to us how we will deal with such these project with cloud service ?

I really would like to know is the analysis types mentioned above is going to be included in Cloud and how to justify the result. Or you think structural analysis is only basic static linear with finite element method .

Honestly I think you think like that and this is what shown in Structural tool for Revit   and this is what was developing for almost 5 years 

Sorry to say that this structural tool for Revit is  totally like a game  and doesn't belong to structural engineering Science I am wondering really is that Autodesk understanding for structural engineering. 

[mustafahesenow]

Take a look how company care about structural analysis developing its tools .

Midas

[StefanoPasquini6790]

Well, also this video show how company care about it's costomer and develop its software:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2w1N0zuq7M

[saclovitzky]

Hello Scott,

Is there any chance that someone from RSA development team can contribute on this forum?You are in the middle of cross-fire my friend. It is unfair for you receive unwarranted remarks.

Can you tell to your RSA devt team colleagues that we are not waging wars with Autodesk but we need transparency on future plans.

it is better to hear, something like;

"Sorry guys we messed up on this beautiful software but we promised to input all your concerns"

"We didnt realized how many loyal users of ARSAP are concern about its future improvements, rest assured that we will create a special division to look at all your concerns"

"Our apologies due to time constrains and manpower we cannot do at once all the corrections and improvements that all users wanted us to do"

"Etc,Etc."

But for whatever reason , no words, no assurance have been made on this forum to represent ARSAP devt team.

Artur,Rafal & company have to carry the brunt of diplomatic explanations just to pacify the discontented users.

We are still hoping RSA  dev't team will participate on this forum to air their side of the story.

[me1205377]

adding my voice to you 

keeping quite is not the best strategy at the moment  (IMHO), it is not about punch of angry people who will soon calm down 

the lack of proper serious clear rebuttals is creating a very grey atmosphere  which is not healthy at all !  especially for young program user like me  and many fellows !! 

please show more engagement with whatever being said here in this thread and "Save our RSA" 

Transparency is the key ! 

[scott-sheppard-autodesk]

The Robot Structural Analysis developers/management team are aware of your concerns. In addition, they have the lessons learned from the React Structures technology preview. The Autodesk fiscal year ends on January 31. The team is in the process of formulating their plans for FY19 which starts February 1, 2018, and ends January 31, 2019. No promises though.

[mustafahesenow]

Hi @scott-sheppard-autodesk

Many thanks for reply .

All of us we have a favor Please deliver it to Higher management of Autodesk . I am totally mean it and we had many discussion with others related to RSA.

We are asking here :

1- Increase  the fees of RSA and its subscription (since Autodesk may think the doesn't have benefit of this software )

2- Deal with RSA and its development team  as separate software not included in any collection . 

3-Doing serious development which we ask for it many times.

I can here promise you and Autodesk that the users of RSA will increase much more than now and you will see in your eyes that if the problems solved and development in RSA considered .

I have ambitious plan for that.

#RSA is the Best.