Diaphram definition (large displacements and rotations)

Diaphram definition (large displacements and rotations)

omarsQSKVQ
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Diaphram definition (large displacements and rotations)

omarsQSKVQ
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I have a building consists of two full area (352*462 ft) mezzanine floor 
the system is a steel one way decking, released main beams and joists and the decking supposed to transfer the lateral loads to the braced frames for the 4 outer elevations (all supports are pinned)
as per the attached snapshot also i attached a simple model that i face same problem in define this concept 
i tried the rigid link , panel calculation model (membrane) also i tried shell with a custom definition with 0 bending and shear stiffness i really get bored so please help.  

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Simau
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Hi @omarsQSKVQ 

Just add some horizontal bracings

Simau_0-1752243105292.jpeg

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omarsQSKVQ
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Do you think i need to add horizontal bracing "Is it a must? "
or the composite slab work as a diaphram to transfer the load to the vertical bracing
the attached snapshot from Design Examples  (AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF STEEL CONSTRUCTION)
is it the same system ?

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Simau
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Another solution is to use an orthotropic slab of thickness equivalent in weight to your one way deck.
Here, i assumed your composite deck have a SW of 1.5 kN/m² then equivalent to a 6 cm thickness orhotropic deck.

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Hi @omarsQSKVQ 

1. Pinned -Pinned release ( only Ry ) .
2. Remove the click from (Disregard density) since the self-weight is excluded from mass participation.
3. Delete duplicate case (6) from the converted cases
4. The modified file is attached.

Refaat_0-1752322935519.png

 

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omarsQSKVQ
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I can't thank you enough for your help.
For the seismic mass participation  definition, Is it okay to define it as per the attached snapshot?
and one more question, I don't need to define panel thickness aright?
I think whole the trouble because of the wrong releases definition.
really thanks again.

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Refaat
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Hi @omarsQSKVQ 

Is it okay to define it as per the attached snapshot?

Yes

 

I don't need to define panel thickness aright?

Possible if diaphragm is used as well the slab weight considered as uniform load . Define the slab thickness is more preferable.

 

I think whole the trouble because of the wrong releases definition.

Certainly 

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Hi @Refaat 

Maybe the releases hypothesis was a company requirement who did not want to bother with MZ bending moment in the connections.

 

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