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smolik
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Visibility of tags

smolik
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It would be nice to be able to control the visibility of different tags of the same type in different views. For example, I need to show MEP pipes described by dimensions and flow rate in some views with dimensions only, in others with dimensions and flow rate as well.

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iainsavage
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I think the closest you can get is to have different types in one tag family and for each type control visibility of labels with yes/no parameters.

As far as I know it can only be done by type, not by instance.

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hmunsell
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tags are view specific. like @iainsavage suggests, make different Types in the same tag and tag the pipe using the appropriate tag for that view. you can use the Tags... button in the options bar to specify the default Tag Type to use. 

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I'm currently in an Architectural file so this an example using Rooms, but the same princeable applies to any family tag.

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smolik
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I know the tags are viewpoint specific and of course I have different types of them. However, it is often necessary to derive a drawing for a building permit from the execution drawing and therefore simplify the labels. I would like to simply turn off the labels e.g. flow rates and leave the others. This is not possible now.

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iainsavage
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So you know how to achieve what you need but want the software to work in a different way?

Were you just making a comment then rather than looking for assistance?

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smolik
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This was supposed to be a topic for Revit developers, maybe I put it in the wrong place

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iainsavage
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I think you maybe want to post on the Ideas forum.

Meantime (because they might never take notice or change anything) if you want to change all of the tags in a view you could select a tag in a view, select all instances in view then change the type en masse.

You can also swap the default tag type in Annotate > Tag > Loaded Tags & Symbols before placing tags in each view.

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smolik
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I understand.
But I don't want to change all the tags, just some of them. I want to keep the ducts dimensions (that's the duct tag) and turn off the duct flows (that's the duct tag too). And yes, I should have put it in ideas. Thank you.
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hmunsell
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@smolik wrote:
I want to keep the ducts dimensions (that's the duct tag) and turn off the duct flows (that's the duct tag too). And yes, I should have put it in ideas. Thank you.

if their different Types of the same Duct Tag. You can select one, right click and say Select All Instances > Visible In View and then swop out the Tag Type being used. 

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iainsavage
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"But I don't want to change all the tags, just some of them"

 

If you only want to change some tags in a view then either:-

  1. select those particular instances of the tag and then change type - that would be no more difficult than changing an instance parameter in the tag family if that was possible, or
  2. change the default tag type before placing those particular instances of the tag

I'm not sure that I see any advantage in being able to change tags by instance rather than by type.

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RLY_15
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@smolik wrote:
I know the tags are viewpoint specific and of course I have different types of them. However, it is often necessary to derive a drawing for a building permit from the execution drawing and therefore simplify the labels. I would like to simply turn off the labels e.g. flow rates and leave the others. This is not possible now.

It is though?

 

We have about 15 Tag Types embedded in a single Duct Tag family, with different permutations of labelled parameters. If we need to convert a drawing that only contains Size + System (12"x12" S/A) into a drawing that contains Size, Flow, Velocity (12" X12" 500 CFM 500 FPM), it's just an exercise of selecting the tags in the view and changing to that types. We have labels intended for schematic design, CDs, AHJ documentation, and consultant coordination.

 

The caveat is that you need the labels pre-built, but how many permutations are you expecting to need to make?

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iainsavage
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👍Same as my suggestion at part 2 but that's not what they want.

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RLY_15
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I suppose that's my confusion, what's the preferred alternative? Toggles for each parameter? That can get convoluted to operate pretty quickly.

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smolik
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I'd like to be able to control visibility by tag type, not just by tag category, that's all.

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craigjonnson
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I kind of see what you mean similar to sub-categories for detail lines. It could be beneficial to apply this functionality to tags that could be switched off within view templates.

 

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That said, there is a lack of control with annotations, no filter categories available etc. What IainSavage has stated is something that is workable today. The tick box shown in the image above can be mapped to your properties of the tag with a function to turn off size, flow, whatever you assign to a yes/no parameter. As tags are view dependent, one view could have the information you need. Then duplicated with details but merely switch the tag over. Its what the majority of us are having to do. What you are requesting isnt a unique process, its just the workflow that you want to be different and as you put, its not currently available but can be added to the idea's forum.

 

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smolik
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Yes, you're the first to get it. I've already added it to the ideas.
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iainsavage
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@smolik  wrote:

I'd like to be able to control visibility by tag type, not just by tag category, that's all.


I'm sorry, I'm just not getting what you are aiming for.

Nobody suggested changing the tag category.

In my example at part two of this thread I used one pipe tag which has three types inside it - by selecting the relevant type you see the information that you selectively want.

Your original post said "It would be nice to be able to control the visibility of different tags of the same type in different views. For example, I need to show MEP pipes described by dimensions and flow rate in some views with dimensions only, in others with dimensions and flow rate as well." - I'm pretty sure the example that I gave does what you asked for and as far as I can see @craigjonnson is saying pretty much the same thing.

 

 

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hmunsell
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if I understand correctly, you would have multiple tags tagging the same pipe in the view and then control which is visible based on turn on/off the subcategories of the Pipe Tag? 

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smolik
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It would be easiest if it would be possible to filter tags(e.g. by the string in the type name: type name contains...)

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iainsavage
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I'm fairly certain that you can do this with DiRoots OneFilter from diroots.com (free addin).