Plumbing MEP created by 3rd party program H2X, when inserted comes into the model in the completely wrong place

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Hello,

I was / am new to Revit and was given a trial by a new company to deliver plumbing drawings for a project, and it was meant to be delivered by 23/12/22 (last Friday).

I "drafted" the entire design in H2X, and whilst the owners of that program have been trying hard to assist me, I was still very confused and have only just been able to insert it into a linked architectural model. However the entire MEP model is in the completely wrong place. I think the levels are correct, but horizontally its completely wrong.

I'm also completing an engineering masters over the Christmas break so I'm not able to devote my full attention (time wise) to rectify this. I was only able to insert the model after creating a workset for it. I don't know how to shift the plumbing pipes into their correct position, and the H2X team are mostly on a break at the moment. I need to fix this urgently so the client will have some confidence in giving me work next year.

I basically have no idea how to fix this. The other problem I will have, which I though was going to be the only difficulty I would have to overcome - so I was prepared for this: when the sanitary drainage is imported, it comes into the model all completely flat with no grade on any of the pipes. That has to be manually fixed.

A little help please?

This project is worth $1600 for me to deliver, and right now I can't invoice the client for incorrect unfinished work - let alone expect any more projects to deliver next year, and I'm wanting to depend on this client for bread and butter work. I'm taking a huge loss on this. During the day I have to work on an engineering masters thesis, so I don't have the time for this.

As I'm forced to choose, I'm prioritising the masters work over the revit work, because the masters is the cumulation of a 2 year degree.

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@RobDraw please don't ever attempt to contribute anything on any of my future posts, I don't respect or appreciate your aggressive abusive DM's. Just walk away and stop stalking my posts. I don't need your help or insight

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I don't know which category of argumentative fallacy this is, but any engagement with @RobDraw on the basis that his opinion is reasonable and meritorious - should be avoided - in my experience, as I have bent over backwards to placate this person, whose sole motivation for attacking me was that: I did not credit him as the person who solved another question on another post, I had credited someone else, and inadvertently credited myself - which was an accident as I intended to credit @RobDraw for that.

I am relatively new to these forums and how they work, and apologised profusely to @RobDraw - I also went back and credited him on about 6 responses, and I requested a moderator to take down the crediting I gave myself for a post. I have tried to be as kind and as pleasant as possible to this @RobDraw hoping that some of my actions would make him happy. I also informed him that not crediting him and crediting myself was a mistake. In all of the responses from @RobDraw I received continuous personal attacks, abuse and all manner of insults. It is due to the reaction of @RobDraw to my many several attempts to make him happy, and his continued sustained offensive responses, that its now apparent to me that any interaction with @RobDraw on the basis that his positive opinion of me ought to be the objective of any discussion between myself and him, would be to credit a person unworthy of my respect - with my own respect.

Never the less, I am still appreciative of the help he did provide for me on another forum post, where he did actually help me, in spite of my own ignorance on the matter. If he hadn't of helped me, perhaps no one else would have. I apologise to you again @RobDraw for what must be the 3rd time (at the very least), for my ignorance in what you were trying to teach me, when I was away from my PC and revit. Thanks, you helped increase my knowledge. I'm glad you did. Thank you very much indeed.

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@ToanDN @vytautas 

Hello, 

I've successfully aligned the models perfectly without having to move anything manually, and created / used all the piping systems to fully import the H2X file.

I now need advice on how to work through some 56 errors which have come up. I have 4 errors which are, "Line is too short" - all relating to drainage, stating that "the drainage pipes are too short"

The remaining errors all fall under the heading of, "The duct/pipe has been modified to be in the opposite direction causing the connections to be invalid. All these remaining errors seem to relate to drainage pipes.

I'm unsure if these are typical of what I already knew would be a problem with importing H2X generated models - that all the drains come into the model being flat. I'm going to search through the knowledge base and the forums for a solution.

But at this point I do not know if I should delete all the elements which are in bold, "Resolve Errors in Bold: Delete Element(s)" or if I should do something else. Any advice would be appreciated on how to fix this. The BIM manager of the company I am contracted to do this project for said to me that they mainly do a rough indicative drawings and use a lot of annotations to express the design intent.

I've never used revit to determine falls/grades of sewer and drainage pipe before, I have my own spreadsheets to calculate invert levels and work on markups (bluebeam) to give precise I.L.'s to drafters to draft / model my work. So I could potentially just delete all these elements and annotate the job to finish the project off to the clients standard. But if I could use revit to calculate all the falls it would mean I'm using the program for what its supposed to do.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for helping me to get this far. 

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@Anonymous in reply to: 21068166MC656
‎12-31-2022 03:21 AM
If you want to transfer some pipe types, you can do it with Transfer Project Standards tool, found on the Manage tab. You have to open two Revit models, one could be your model, another could be a common template for plumbing systems installed with Revit. Make active any view of your model, start this tool and copy required settings from another Revit file, including pipe types, pipe sizes, etc.

@Anonymous I've abandoned H2X as the only way I was able to import pipes was in Revit 2023 and my client provided and expects Revit 2020 modelled work. So I'm starting this all again. I have an issue related to this response of yours which I'd really like your (or anyone else's) help on. When I Transfer Project Standards, its great, it gives me all the families this client uses on their other jobs and I can easily select any of them.

HOWEVER - 2 things: now when I attempt to select, "Coarse, medium or Fine", they are all greyed out.. Also, same thing happens when I try and select wireframe:

I wanted to select Wireframe but can't. I think that means I'm in a pre-defined view template.

Now when I want to add pipe from a floor waste which I couldn't do before and I don't know how I fixed that, but in attempting to place pipe I get this error:

I really need for the view range settings to let me see 500mm below the slab of the level below, and I can't do that. I really just want to start laying pipes. How do I fix this please?

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@ToanDN and @RobDraw (we have reconciled after my unreserved apology) could either of you help with this as well please?

[vytautas]

Most likely a view template is assigned to your view, that's why you can't edit anything, all is greyed out. You can check it in the properties, under Identity Data. You can either modify a view template settings or remove it from a view by checking it to None.

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This is another job done by my client that they gave me to use as an example of how they would like this project delivered. I feel like a bit of an idiot but its really I haven't dove down deep enough into revit previously to get my head around this. I have made a lot of progress in my Masters Thesis so I feel I can try and squeeze in getting this project done by Monday - if only I could know where to start properly.

If you are able, does viewing this project I'm attaching help you give me a better heads up at all on what I need to do?

I'd really appreciate your help if possible please

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If you can look at the job I sent, does it look like they are even creating systems? I have transferred project standards from this job, and all there is under "Plumbing Fixtures", is strip drains, about 40 water tank types, and 2 types of floor drains, 1 has 3 sub-categories, and 1 has 1 category. I'm lost my friend

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I'm now in the clients server copying all their families into my family directory. They have 4 separate years of families so this should take some time. I'm frustrated because I have actually learned Revit MEP before and it was much more simple than what I'm having to go through here. At least from the H2X file I could download PDF's of the design, so I can just follow that for all my pipe sizing etc, but Its a fairly basic hydraulic design anyway. I would normally complete this whole job in about 2 days including all hydraulic services, and then just hand-ball it to a drafter. If it was in autocad I would do it quickly.

Could you please analyse the file I sent and see what you think there drafting conventions are? I'll just have to learn them. I want to deliver this project to my client on Monday, invoice them, and then will just say I am unable to do any further work until I have completed my masters. Quality of my masters should still be excellent. I have gotten a high B grade for my course work so far, and I'm hoping that the grade I get for my thesis will tip me into a reasonable A grade. So I'll just be a construction plumber with a master of engineering, with the world at my feet, but at the age of 48.

Someone please analyse the file conventions in the model I sent you, and tell me if they are creating full systems, as before the christmas shut down their BIM manager told me that a lot of their work was done using annotations. If that's the case I just have to do that.

So frustrating