Handling of nested generic annotations in face based families changed in Revit 2023! Bug?

[SamuliM]

Hi!

It seems like the handling of nested generic annotations in face based families has been changed in Revit 2023. This makes them mirror themselves (or their workplane), and thus also change their distances from the origin of the family. Please see the attached picture for details.

This creates severe problems for our customers if/when converting older projects to 2023, but also for our add-in development when this change makes some of our functions work in a wrong way.

Is this change done intentionally or by mistake? If by mistake, could we please get this issue fixed ASAP?


Best regards
Samuli Mattila
MagiCAD Group

[curtisridenour]

Yes i have also noticed this. I think it has to do with changing which family categories have the Maintain Annotation Orientation check box. That is just a guess.

I decided that if i will adjust families as need be with nested annotations for 2023. But we still work some of our projects in 2019. So i dont want to have a library of families for multiple versions. I want to keep our families in the older version so i dont have to update two types.

I believe it was intentional. But i am just speculating.

[curtisridenour]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fes4GUqPHzM

[curtisridenour]

in the 2023.1 patch on Nov 15. Try updating to 2023.1 and see if it is resolved.

[SamuliM]

Many thanks for your replies. I am using 2023.1, the issue is still there. Any clue about the original issue? When and where was it posted and what was the specific case which was fixed?

Based on the video, it seems like these improvements were intended for objects placed to "upside-down-faces". However, in my case, the same kind of mirroring (which shouldn't happen) is happening also with objects placed to vertical faces. To me this seems like a bug or a misinterpretation of what actually is a face which is "pointing" downwards.

[fabiosato]

Hello,

When you use face-based families, if you rotate these families in a vertical plane, the generic annotation also rotates.

So this correction was to fix this issue.

[SamuliM]

Hi.

Thanks for the reply. I have noticed this already, but you cannot do that in practice because then the actual product will be "pointing" to the wrong direction (e.g. wall luminaire illuminating upwards instead of downwards, or some other element installed upside down instead of the orientation it should have).


BR
Samuli

[fabiosato]

Hello,

It depends on the component.

If you install an outlet vertically or horizontally, the symbol was not ok in the past, for example.

[SamuliM]

Hi.

That is true. The intention has been good, but the execution quite hasn't. It seems to me like in the base direction the symbol is mirrored now, but after rotating the product 90, 180 or 270 on the face, it will get the right orientation. IMO the nested symbol should never (Edit: in a basic case where a product and/or its symbol have a certain direction and outlook which they need to obey) be mirrored because it can/will somehow be wrong then.

Edit: Actually, like always, there are some exceptions, e.g. a product is allowed to be mirrored (= rotated upside down) without changing its essence, or is allowed to be mirrored (= rotated upside down) even when changing its essence, and the 2D symbol is allowed to be mirrored with the product's orientation or not. For these we need settings which the user can control:

1) Is the product allowed to be rotated/mirrored upside down or not.

2) Is the 2D symbol allowed to be mirrored upside down or not.

BR

Samuli

[fabiosato]

Hello,

I suggest you go to Revit Ideas and create one about this feature!