Why won't my wood structural columns appear over my concrete structural columns?

[Redrunner92]

I have two structural columns placed one atop another. The top column is a wood member (6x6) while the bottom column is a concrete member (12" diameter). Looking at it in 3D I can see both as they should be. However, in my floor plan view where I want to see them also, so a square is inside a circle, I only see the concrete column (the circle). When I try to select the wood column I can only do so at the element's center, not at any edges. Also, I can see the wood column when I click + drag to select both objects, but when I deselect I once again cannot see the wood column. I can use Linework to manually show each wood column but I would rather not do this as I imagine the wood column should show up on its own. My Visibility Graphics and my View Range are set up so the wood column should be visible so those aren't what is making the wood column invisible. Is this a default setting hard-coded into Revit when columns are stacked atop each other? Please help me understand why I cannot see the wood column.

[barthbradley]

Maybe a Visibility Setting in the Family? 

[ToanDN]

Is the framing plan view looking up or down? If it is looking up then thee view range cut plane may cut across the concrete columns, which obscure the wood columns beyond.

[Redrunner92]

Good thinking, I hadn't checked that when I posted. Unfortunately when I just checked the Family's visibility settings, mine look just like those in your image, and since my plan view is in the Fine Detail Level, that isn't it.

[barthbradley]

Reveal Hidden Elements.  See 'em? 

[Redrunner92]

I believe the view is looking down, though if there is a specific way to check this I would be glad for you to enlighten me. To make this plan view I created a new Floor Plan view, not an RCP, so if I understand Revit's settings correctly, Floor Plans look down.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

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@Redrunner92 wrote:

I believe the view is looking down, though if there is a specific way to check this I would be glad for you to enlighten me. To make this plan view I created a new Floor Plan view, not an RCP, so if I understand Revit's settings correctly, Floor Plans look down.

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So you created it as a Floor Plan and not a Structural Plan, which has View Direction options?  Edit both column families and Untick 'Show family Pre-cut in plan view' box, then reload them see what happens.

[Redrunner92]

I see the Analytical elements, and when I hover over the center of the column I see its outline (see the blue square in the image) but the wood column still doesn't show up here. It's like Revit knows it is supposed to show the column in the view but a specific override is written into the program.

[barthbradley]

Is this the same display in brand new views? 

Post the file. We'll get to the bottom of it.  

[Redrunner92]

That's it! I had never seen that Instance Parameter before. Looks like I have some homework: poring over the Instance Parameters of all my structural families. Thank you!

[Redrunner92]

That screenshot was of the same view I used to make the original PDF. Toad found the solution, it was in an easy-to-miss Instance Parameter. At least easy for me to miss. Thank you for your help with this!

[barthbradley]

Good for Toad.