Why Revit so expansive

Why Revit so expansive

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Why Revit so expansive

mgtechYMXNP
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I would be very satisfied with Revit LT, but it doesn’t include the 'in-place modeling' feature. Because of that, I’m forced to purchase the full version—over $4,000—just for that one function. On top of that, the discounts we used to get from official resellers are no longer available, so it’s becoming extremely expensive.

 

Please add the 'in-place modeling' feature to Revit LT—you’ll make a lot of users very happy!

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mhiserZFHXS
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As a corporation, Autodesk's number one priority is making money. They've intentionally chosen what's not available in LT in order to encourage folks to get the full version. 

 

Good news is that you should be able to model most "in-place" elements as families and load them in. It might take a little extra work to actually determine dimensions rather than just basing it off of modeled elements, but its doable. 

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mgtechYMXNP
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Good news is that you should be able to model most "in-place" elements as families and load them in. Thats not true, the roof feature is quite limited—whenever I try to add any complexity, it just doesn’t work. So I have no choice but to use the 'In-place' modeling tool. For certain precise roof modifications, the level of control is very low. Creating custom moldings is also difficult without 'In-place' modeling. And when it comes to drawing existing, non-standard elements, it’s nearly impossible without that feature, ect....

 

I understand, autodesk need to make money, but Revit LT 'looks good' but it's not, forcing people to pay an extra $3,000–$3,500 for a single feature just doesn’t feel fair.

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mhiserZFHXS
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The entire subscription based model is not fair and allows for price-gouging and removes any motivation for Autodesk to make any real improvements to its software. And this is not unique to Autodesk. Subscriptions are a plague that are spreading across the software industry. 

 

My intention was not to justify Autodesk's actions but to point out that you are not likely to get what you're asking for. 

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RSomppi
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@mgtechYMXNP wrote:

Good news is that you should be able to model most "in-place" elements as families and load them in. Thats not true,


It is true. It's not as easy but it is achievable. If you are struggling with how, you may find help if you ask questions of this community.

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If they put all essential features into LT, then why would anyone buy the full version? The whole point of LT is to give a very limited version to people who are willing to live with the limitations and reduce design quality or spend more time. In return they pay less. In software, 99% of the cost is in development. Autodesk doesn't save any "production cost" when they sell you LT instead of the full version.  It isn't like a car where removing features actually saves the manufacturer production cost. To the contrary, disabling features in LT requires added development and QC cost. 

 

Microsoft is even worse. They sell W11 Pro to end users for $199. The home cost $139. but it just has a few features disabled. But PC manufacturer only pays $10 or less (you can buy such OEM keys from ebay... not actually 100% legal, though). So, depending on who you are, you could pay $10, or $200 for the very same software. Autodesk at least treats everyone equally bad (probably some volume discounts... but not to the extent MS does). And unlike Microsoft, Autodesk doesn't sell us expensive software and then includes advertisement, bloatware, subscription add-ons etc. 

 

Supply and demand. They can charge what people are willing to pay. With lack of alternatives, anyone using BIM, has to pay. You can use free or cheaper alternative options - but they most likely cost you more time and limit the quality of construction documents. So, many people still decide paying a lot for Revit still is cheaper if you account for design time and document quality. 

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mhiserZFHXS
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@HVAC-Novice wrote:

 

Supply and demand. They can charge what people are willing to pay. With lack of alternatives, anyone using BIM, has to pay. You can use free or cheaper alternative options - but they most likely cost you more time and limit the quality of construction documents. So, many people still decide paying a lot for Revit still is cheaper if you account for design time and document quality. 


Unfortunately, its not really a willingness factor. Revit is the industry norm, so we are pretty much collectively locked into using it. Sure, there are other options, and IFC, but you'd basically be doing it on your own. And I'm not sure about other parts of the country, but around here, community colleges offer courses in Revit, not Archicad or any other competitors. 

 

Not to mention, Revit IS the best BIM software overall. Unfortunately, Autodesk knows that, so they have little motivation to actually invest in development of the program since they know they're going to get our subscription money whether they add any significant features in a given year or not. 

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@mhiserZFHXS wrote:
Unfortunately, Autodesk knows that, so they have little motivation to actually invest in development of the program since they know they're going to get our subscription money whether they add any significant features in a given year or not. 

Do you have anything that can prove that?

 

I've been hearing that statement for over a decade but Autodesk continues development. New features or enhancements may not mean anything to some (The ones that say the same thing.) but they are happening every year and updates in between. Just because it can't be seen by some doesn't mean it isn't happening.

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mhiserZFHXS
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I understand that updates happen. But the proportion to their profits is not even remotely close. There is maybe one somewhat significant feature added every year or every other year. Some features that have been requested for over a decade show no sign of being invested in. Ten years ago, we had a choice as to whether a new version was worth investing in. Now, we have to pay them whether they add anything of note or not. 

 

Corporations in America have a legal responsibility to put their shareholders first. Above their customers. Above their employees. Above societal well-being. So yea, they're only going to do just enough in development to, at least to them, justify a subscription model. Its not necessarily their fault. Its a symptom of America's rotting social and economic fabric. 

 

Autodesk is obviously a savvy corporation. As far as I know, they work within the minimal legal boundaries they have in order to maximize their profits. We really need new legal boundaries in order to put a threshold on what can be sold as a subscription though. The way things are now is bad for consumers and stifles innovation. 

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RSomppi
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So, you are making these statements on speculation. That's hardly proof.

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mhiserZFHXS
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Its not speculation. Its a legal obligation that they maximize their profits. I'm not providing you any specific numbers. That would be speculation. But I guarantee you that they could provide way more than they do if they were to not focus on maximizing profits. 

 

And as I said, this is not unique to Autodesk. This is how corporations work in America. Legally obligated to shareholders, i.e. profits, above all else. 

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RSomppi
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@mhiserZFHXS wrote:

Its not speculation.


By definition, it is.

 

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mhiserZFHXS
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Citing legal precedence is not a theory...

 

As usual, I'm walking away from a conversation with you. 

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@mhiserZFHXS wrote:

 

Unfortunately, its not really a willingness factor. Revit is the industry norm, so we are pretty much collectively locked into using it. Sure, there are other options, and IFC, but you'd basically be doing it on your own. And I'm not sure about other parts of the country, but around here, community colleges offer courses in Revit, not Archicad or any other competitors. 

 

Not to mention, Revit IS the best BIM software overall. Unfortunately, Autodesk knows that, so they have little motivation to actually invest in development of the program since they know they're going to get our subscription money whether they add any significant features in a given year or not. 


A company could choose to only do design projects not requiring collaboration and would design with extremely primitive tools compared to Revit. That is what the last AutoCAD holdouts do. Autodesk is not literally holding a gun to your head. Or you could change professions and work as barista.  So, there is a choice and you chose to pay for Revit 🙂 

 

But yes, if you want to participate in the modern design industry, there is no way around Revit. Same way you need a computer, internet, smartphone. In theory you can live without those, but you will be severally limited. Even more if you think 5-10 years forward. 

 

The one main feature Autodesk should implement is true multi-threading for all functions. I'm someone who has task manger open all the time. And it pains me that everything that is slow can be traced back to Revit only using single thread. Not a single core, only a single thread. Other features that are lacking or need improvement can be debatable. But supporting modern hardware should be a given in 2025 when 6-core is the beginner option and 8-12 cores is the new normal (Xeon/TR start at 12 cores/24 threads).

 

Love it or hate it. But if community colleges would teach ArchiCAD instead of Revit, they would do the students an extreme dis-service. 

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RSomppi
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@mhiserZFHXS wrote:

Citing legal precedence is not a theory...

 

As usual, I'm walking away from a conversation with you. 


In other words, you can't provide any proof the statement that they aren't motivated to improve their product.

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First I must note that I am neither affiliated with Autodesk nor do I get any freebies from them and I for sure have no interest in defending them. My reply is based on using their products, primarily Revit since 2003 till date as well as the equivalent products from GraphiSOFT and Trimble, Tekla, Gehry technologies (later acquired Trimble) and Bently Systems. All of which we purchase the licenses and subscriptions for the same rates anyone here does. And sorry for not being able to go through all the replies in depth and any typos cuz I am replying via mobile...and please do remember this is my personal opinion and it is ok if anyone disagrees

 

PS: Prices mentioned hereinafter is how I remember them from the last renewal cycle so there is a chance they might vary from what they are, today on in the future, on the relevant website of each developer 

 

 

My take on the topic:

 

In my opinion, for the majority of tech and BIM managers it’s not always just about the sticker price. The value of the ecosystem, the depth of integrations, and the availability of skilled users often outweigh pure licensing costs. Nonetheless, its a free world and in today’s software landscape, one could even choose an open-source option like FreeCAD at no cost even. The real question, however, is whether it delivers the same depth of features, workflow efficiency, and ecosystem support as commercial BIM authoring platforms such as Revit or the AEC Collection. After all, Autodesk isn’t forcing anyone to use Revit. The fact that it continues to dominate the market comes down to good reasons, some of these reasons in my opinion are:

  • One of the best, if not the best, after sales customer support
  • Widespread adoption in large projects, from clients, architects, engineers, and consultants.
  • Integration within the Autodesk ecosystem (Navisworks, Civil 3D, AutoCAD, etc.) which is a very valuable PLUS.
  • Despite its complex architecture and hardware demands, it offers workflows that other platforms struggle to fully replicate.
  • A large, if not the largest, user base and knowledge network (training, forums, expertise, talent pool). Where I have no doubt that if other developers are to invest in these, especially in Europe, at he same scale Autodesk does, their prices will shoot sky high to cover the overheads...unless of course there is someone out there that believes all this comes for free.

As for the comments I read about the Dev team and not much efforts being put in developing the software, sometimes and certain features might lead some users (especially beginners) to a state of hopelessness and frustration but the blame cannot be entirely the Dev team's fault. Throwing such comments at them is unfair and harsh and for that I would ask how often did you participate in the programs and test groups Autodesk has and how many survey calls did you take, or at least how many of those 5 mins click surveys, the latest of which was on Assemblies in Revit and Inventor, did you send at last but not least how many ideas did you start, and how often did you defend them and how many users actually supported your Ideas if any at all? Now how many of those were offered by the alternative software developers which you believe is cheaper?

 

In terms of Price and for the sake of comparison I would pick Autodesk’s solution vs that of Graphisoft because I often hear from some users (not on this forum) the same comment "Archicad is much cheaper".

  • Revit + BIM Collaborate Pro: around $490/month or $4,289/year per user.
  • Archicad Collaborate (The equivalent to the above): around €440-450/month or €3,200/year which is ca. $484/month or $3,410/year equivalent.
  • For Archicad Studio: €2,750/year (ca $2,970/year), which is about $300/year cheaper than Revit stand alone....yet almost the same price if one goes for the 3 years bundle

So while Archicad Collaborate is close in cost to Revit + Collaborate Pro, at first glance it could appear slightly cheaper on annual pricing. But in practice, once you add in regional taxes, local support packages, or additional tools, the difference can narrow to the point of being marginal/negligible. Adding tokens to the equation, for small firms who do tiny projects only, would reshuffle the equation. So contrary to what some users might think, Archicad isn’t “cheap” compared to Revit. And while headline numbers suggest a small saving, it remains the tag price and the real comparison depends on:

  • How the firm works (solo architect vs. large integrated practice).
  • How the firm manages time allocation and overheads vs direct costs
  • size of project (Maybe Tokens is a viable option. When combined with bullet point 2 above it can reduce costs greatly to even less than what one may believe is the cheapest)
  • Which ecosystem your collaborators use (interoperability often trumps cost).
  • The value of Autodesk’s broader ecosystem versus Graphisoft’s lighter but elegant approach (questionable).

The Bottom Line is, some of Autodesk’s competitors may appear to be marginally cheaper on paper, but it isn’t “significantly cheaper” once you compare equivalent collaborative setups. The true decision often comes down to workflow needs, ecosystem compatibility, and long-term support—not just the annual subscription cost. Otherwise, any investment tends to become expensive if such factors has not been properly considered and well thought of in advance. Same like buying more than one consumes, parking a lambo in the  garage and not driving and a million other example...

 

As for the question or request "Please add the 'in-place modeling' feature to Revit LT—you’ll make a lot of users very happy!" ... They are always open for suggestions and ideas. For that there is the ideas Forum. Yet again if you want In-Place modeling and another wishes for View Filters to be added and someone else would love to have some other feature, Revit LT will be no longer LT 🙂 I would also love it if Mercedes adds the some if not all the features of the Maybach S Class into the A200 and still sell the later for the same price 🙂

 

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RSomppi
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Well written @RDAO. Thank you for posting that. Hopefully, it will help stop the speculation about development.

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@RSomppi you are most welcome and glad you like it. Many forget that leading developers like Autodesk, others as well, carefully study the market and their prices to be competitive. And if their prices are not competitive (as a package), they simply lose the competition. 

 

 

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I think the comments regarding ecosystem cannot be stressed enough. Integration of third-party content into a collaborative ecosystem often costs considerable man-hours:

  • In the explanation of the originator on how to adapt the content into the ecosystem to the 'main system' parties
  • In the attempts by every other invested party to actually do so
  • In the regular conversion processes required per content update (phase submissions, coordination model updates, etc.)

@HVAC-Novice mentioned Archi-CAD being a disservice to students; I'm not going to bash the product specifically (from demos it seems reliable for what it does), but anecdotally this is a real and legitimate issue in my neck of the woods. IFC conversion processes are not always well-documented, and as a single component of a larger team I only have so much sway to impress upon such a product user the need to maintain their standards in a way that allows for effective export of their software package into the IFC environment. Do I take their weekly model updates, run their IFC through an ArchiCad-To-Revit add-in, spend an hour attempting to wrestle the content that did not convert properly into a form that is controllable, export my model into IFC format for their use, and similarly expect them to spend an hour wrestling the conversion....every week? Do I then have to do this with a BricsCad user on the next project? Or even on the same project?

 

You might save a few hundred on a workstation subscription but I feel like as the AEC industry we should be generally aware that first costs vs operating costs routinely paint a different picture.

 

 

I am however digressing from the original topic (LT versus Full), and I'd rather not speculate on price motivations. In the context of the original topic, I'm certain that there are users that have developed workflows than can get arbitrarily close to presentation of the full version content using some combination of base LT product, add-ins, and creative workarounds of features. But I would recommend reflecting on the time spent to do so, how many of these workflow limitations you're trying to overcome, and how much more time you're able to continue doing so before sunk cost fallacy starts to creep in.

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@mgtechYMXNP wrote:

Please add the 'in-place modeling' feature to Revit LT—you’ll make a lot of users very happy!


Open drop down menu for walls. There's an "in place wall" command which is basically the same thing. Start it and model away.

The only thing, those elements will always be on walls category.

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