When cropping dependent view, section tags and grids do not crop with crop view.

[Anonymous]

Hi guys,

I am doing enlarged floor plans, however it wont fit on the sheet unless I crop the plan in half and put two different views on that one sheet.

I read that the best way to do this was to duplicate the view as a dependent, crop that, and then put that onto the sheet. I am assuming I have to create two dependent views, one for the east and another for the west side of the building... please correct me if I am wrong. 

When I got to crop the view, everything gets cropped except the section tags and the grid or datums. I do not understand why this is happening at all!

( I read that you can right click on the grid or datums and click on reset to crop, this works I suppose, but some of the line still stays outside of the crop view. As for the sections, I am lost. 

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Hi guys,

I am doing enlarged floor plans, however it wont fit on the sheet unless I crop the plan in half and put two different views on that one sheet.

I read that the best way to do this was to duplicate the view as a dependent, crop that, and then put that onto the sheet. I am assuming I have to create two dependent views, one for the east and another for the west side of the building... please correct me if I am wrong. 

Nothing is wrong.  It is a fine workflow.

When I got to crop the view, everything gets cropped except the section tags and the grid or datums. I do not understand why this is happening at all!

( I read that you can right click on the grid or datums and click on reset to crop, this works I suppose, but some of the line still stays outside of the crop view. As for the sections, I am lost. 

Try this.  Leave the master floor plan view to not cropped, create dependent views, then crop each dependent view either manually or using scope boxes.  Everything should follow the new cropped size properly.

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[Anonymous]

I am cropping the dependent views, not the master floor plan. 

I am doing it manually with the the edit crop size tool, and thats where it is not cropping the section tags or datums.

I am not sure how to do this with a scopebox? Maybe that would solve?

[Anonymous]

I actually just tried cropping using a scopebox and not even that worked. Again, all gets cropped minus the section tags and the datums.

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I am cropping the dependent views, not the master floor plan. 

I am doing it manually with the the edit crop size tool, and thats where it is not cropping the section tags or datums.

I am not sure how to do this with a scopebox? Maybe that would solve?

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Yes you know you are cropping the dependent views and that is what I show you how to.  The critical step is the master view must not be cropped prior to creating the dependent views.

See screencast on how it works.

[Anonymous]

The master plan is not cropped.

[ToanDN]

See screencast above.

[Anonymous]

I have been following those steps, but decided to do it once again to see if maybe I did something wrong.

I am attaching a screen shot of what it looks like when I crop the dependent view. The issue continues to happen unfortunately. 

[FAIR59]

I think you need another step before creating the dependent views : Reset all your gridlines to the 3D Extents, that way there are no 2D positions that get copied along.

[Anonymous]

But if I set it back to 3D, I wont be able to adjust the gridlines on each individual sheet, which I need to.

For example: if I keep them all the same throughout the model, on the pedestal levels of the building they will look okay, but when I get to the tower portion of the building, the gridlines will be extended further than the building, and it just looks strange.

Does this make sense?

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

But if I set it back to 3D, I wont be able to adjust the gridlines on each individual sheet, which I need to.

For example: if I keep them all the same throughout the model, on the pedestal levels of the building they will look okay, but when I get to the tower portion of the building, the gridlines will be extended further than the building, and it just looks strange.

Does this make sense?

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Set the grids back to 3D only affects the active view, not other views where you custom the grid 2D extent.

[Anonymous]

Okay, so lets say that works for the grid, what about the sections.

[ToanDN]

If the sections head or tail have been adjusted from their original location then they will not comply when you create a new crop.

[Anonymous]

Okay, that makes sense... but is there a way to fix this?

I cant create new sections, because we have already worked on those.

Is this also the reason why that on certain plan level views the sections wont adjust when adjusted on other views? It only happens on three views.

Thank you for your help by the way and for your patience with my questions.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

You could create a new floor plan, no cropping, apply the same template of the old one, copy paste the annotation from the old one over.  Then gridlines and sections on this view will be of their unmodified state. 

If you have already placed live call-outs on the original views, then you have to either change them to show in Intersecting Views, or create new call-outs referencing to those views.  Do not delete the original plan view because it will delete any call-out views placed on them.

[Anonymous]

Yup!!

I just finished trying this before you wrote back. Creating the new floor plan worked.

Thank you!

[aruckerY7D6L]

I think you guys were talking about the issue that I am having (though I am in Revit 2019).
I had a parent section view split into dependent sectors. When I moved/set the left and right extents, the callouts did not move to align with them. In the image below, the view is a floor plan that will be sectioned out using dependent views later on. I have one of several overlapping callouts highlighted (left), and the extends for it can be seen as the arrows (right). Since the callouts run so long, they all will show on the dependent views for the floor plan and overlap each other. Each floor has a set of 24 sections at a minimum, and the sections dip above and below the levels making the views for level 2 show in levels 1 and 3, and those levels sections show on level 2.

I made a new view with the same template, but the callouts still showed in the same spot (not aligned).

Using copy (CRTL+C) in the new view produces a callout that is also not aligned to its extent.

[ToanDN]

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@aruckerY7D6L wrote:

I think you guys were talking about the issue that I am having (though I am in Revit 2019).
I had a parent section view split into dependent sectors. When I moved/set the left and right extents, the callouts did not move to align with them. In the image below, the view is a floor plan that will be sectioned out using dependent views later on. I have one of several overlapping callouts highlighted (left), and the extends for it can be seen as the arrows (right). Since the callouts run so long, they all will show on the dependent views for the floor plan and overlap each other. Each floor has a set of 24 sections at a minimum, and the sections dip above and below the levels making the views for level 2 show in levels 1 and 3, and those levels sections show on level 2.

I made a new view with the same template, but the callouts still showed in the same spot (not aligned).

Using copy (CRTL+C) in the new view produces a callout that is also not aligned to its extent.

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Start your own topic.  I suggested copy paste annotations (text, dims, generic symbols) NOT actual callout, elevation marks, section lines.

[aruckerY7D6L]

Will do - Here is the link to it.

Apologies, I misunderstood your suggestion.