Wall inside Door Family

Wall inside Door Family

moraruandrei29
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Wall inside Door Family

moraruandrei29
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Hello everyone!

Is there any way to have a wall inside a door/window family?

My endpoint would be to create something like this in the door family, it is very important that I have the centerlines (analytical models) of those small pieces of walls.

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L.Maas
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No. Walls are system families and only existing inside the project. Therefore you can not have them to be part of a loadable (door) family

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Please mention Revit version, especially when uploading Revit files.

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RDAOU
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@moraruandrei29 

 

You can nest a custom shared family (category: structural column or structure beam) into door family to give you that result

 

 

From the looks of that detail...this also seems like a part of a 3D printed concrete project. If so I would keep the concrete jambs with the walls and place either a non-hosted door or a door in a dummy wall

 

 

 

 

 

 

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barthbradley
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What about just controlling the Inset of the Door/Window from the Analytical Center of the Wall it is hosted to?   And/or hosting the Door/Window to an Embedded Wall?  

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moraruandrei29
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Hi @barthbradley 

Can you elaborate a bit on that? I do need the analytical models.

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barthbradley
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@moraruandrei29 wrote:

Hi @barthbradley 

Can you elaborate a bit on that? I do need the analytical models.


 

Which part? Embedded Wall?  You can use the Cut Geometry tool to embed one Wall Type into another.  If you are asking about Inset, open a stock Revit Window, such as "Fixed", and look at how the "Window Inset" parameter works.  

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moraruandrei29
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Hi @RDAOU,

Thanks for your help, I very much appreciate all the work you do here guys!

 

1. I can't just place a column in the window family, as the column will have just a line as analytical model, therefore will not be printed. 

 

2. The door is placed in a dummy wall indeed, it is doable, with workarounds, but I am trying to find an easier process, for adding doors and windows to these projects, instead of doing all this work for each window/door every time.

 

Again, thank you for your help!

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moraruandrei29
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Hi @barthbradley,

Thank you very much for your input!

 

I understand how to embed a wall into another, the thing is, how to make it round corner.

 

Thanks again for your help guys, I very much appreciate it. Cheers!

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RDAOU
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@moraruandrei29 

 

To do what you are thinking of would then require that you add custom analytical lines separately as model in-place. SEE GIF BELOW ... 

 

you can automate the above easily using Dynamo; however, I still do believe that walls should be kept with walls and doors placed separately in an architectural dummy wall...less hassle,  a more straight forward workflow which gets you all the analytical surfaces/lines automatically

 

 

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@moraruandrei29 

 

You can nest a shared architectural column into the door family to create the rounded jambs.  They will join with the wall nicely when the door is inserted in a wall in the project.  Similarly, analytical lines can be added to the door family or to the jamb architectural column family as a shared structural family, without any geometry, just lines.

 

2022 file is attached.  It is a quickie without the shared analytical column, but you get the idea.

 

Edit: it's true that analytical lines cannot be added in a custom family per @RDAOU , you can add subcategory model lines in the shared column family in order to recreate/trace them as true in-place analytical lines in project.  When done you can turn off the place-holder subcategory model lines.

 

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RDAOU
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@ToanDN 

 

Analytical Lines subcategory is only available in Project environment not in Family Editor...Hence custom ones are created as in-place

 

 

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barthbradley
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moraruandrei29
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@RDAOU @ToanDN @barthbradley You guys are awesome. I just realized that I can create centerlines for the printer, using Masses. Sometimes the answer it's less complicated than you think it is.  

Now I can use the columns for the door family for visualization purpose and with the analytical models of the walls + the in place mass, I can make it ready for 3D printing. I will post some results soon.

 

Thank you again guys! you guys rock this program!