Template - Phase Filter - Existing

[Anonymous]

Hello. I want to create a template to show only existing phase. When I go to >Parameter>Phase Filter I don't see the option "Existing only"

How can we achieve this? Thanks

[ToanDN]

The View phase should be Existing and the View Phase Filter can be Show New, or Show Complete, or Show All.

New elements in the Existing Phase are existing. It's all relative.

[Anonymous]

@toadn

As always, thanks for your message!

Imagine we need "existing plans only" and all the elements I have added in the model are marked as Phase Existing.

Then in my template, which one should I have selected? 

[artejon]

You can use ( dependeing on your phase filters, of course) :

- Phase: New, Phase Filter: Show All

- Phase: New, Phase Filter: Show Previous

- Phase: Existing, Phase Filter: Show New

- Phase: Existing, Phase Filter: Show Previous + New.

You may see how elements are displayed differently according to phase graphic overrides.

[ToanDN]

Here is an example.  From top to bottom: Existing plan, Demolition Plan, New Plan.  It also depends on your firm graphic standards.

[Anonymous]

@ToanDN

Can you send your attached file in an earlier version? 

Thank you

[Anonymous]

@artejon

which one from your list show only the existing?

Thanks

[artejon]

In your particular case any combination will work because you said:

'all the elements I have added in the model are marked as Phase Existing.' ,

but for the clarity use Phase: Existing, Phase Filter: Show New.

[ToanDN]

2015 file.

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

Whilst I appreciate you may be seeking a direct answer to your question (which others appear to have helped you with) I would encourage you to take a step back. 

You are currently going direct to the phase filters in properties and asking which one do I use? but I would encourage you to go to the phasing dialog under the manage ribbon and select the phase filters tab. here you will see a table of these choices that you have been discussing. 

Most importantly though, it is here you can learn and understand why filters show (or not) various objects. 

So to answer your question another way, in this dialog look for the phase filter that has 'by category' under the 'new' column and 'do not display' in the remaining columns. In my template i created and named this "Current Phase Only". 

So now, when using 'Exisiting Phase' set this 'Current Phase Only' as your filter.

Another example is wanting to see your final completed project without the existing being grey. 

Therefore you need a filter that has 'by category' set for both the 'new' column and the 'existing' column. (As we dont want anything overridden with grey) 'Do not display' assigned to the remaining columns. In my template this is named 'Completed Project'. 

Understanding this principle will enable you to tweak, rename, delete and create new filters to suit your needs and thereby hopefully make you feel as though you are in control, otherwise its just trial and error.

Hope it helps. 

[Anonymous]

@artejon

Thanks for your email and file!

Curious, I draw a wall in phase existing but in the phase filter is not existing is NEW as you said...

Difficult to find a logic to this.. 

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

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@Anonymous wrote:

@artejon

Thanks for your email and file!

Curious, I draw a wall in phase existing but in the phase filter is not existing is NEW as you said...

Difficult to find a logic to this.. 

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As I said, Existing and New are entirely relative.  A wall built under Existing Phase is NEW to that Phase, but EXISTING to any Phases in the future.

[Anonymous]

@Anonymous

Thanks for you reply, very thorough explanation but I have a question for you as per you said:

" filter that has 'by category' set for both the 'new' column and the 'existing' column. (As we dont want anything overridden with grey) 'Do not display' assigned to the remaining columns "

Understood but how do I control by category? does this mean it is as per the type shown in properties, what if I have different walls with different categories, how do I show them the same?

Thanks again, I am getting close to understand but it not an easy one!

[Anonymous]

@artejon I got you.

I have a more advanced question:

In your file, in theSheet A101, no3- level 1, the existing walls have a grey hatch same as in the No.1 both under the style of Phasing-Graphic overrides-Existing Cut.

How could I give the existing wall of no3- level 1 a different hatch colour from the one in the No.1?

Thanks

[Anonymous]

I meant @ToanDN in my previous message 🙂

[ToanDN]

You need to override their cut pattern either By Element or By Filter. Why would you want to do that?

[Anonymous]

'By Category' basically means it will take on the category properties. ie: Visibility graphics or Project Object styles. 

To understand it better, you may want to familiarise yourself with the top 10 priority of overrides... 

1. Line work tool (Overrides anything in the list below)
2. Override graphics in view > by element >halftone
3. Graphic display options > Silhouettes (Lines on the leading edges)
4. Override graphics in view > by element
5. Visibility graphics > View filters (Note: Highest filter in the list overrides filters below it)
6. View range - Beyond line style (for objects in secondary range)
7. Phasing > graphic overrides
8. Visibility graphics overrides – Override host layers (Cut line styles)
9. Visibility graphics overrides – Project and cut lines
10. Project Object styles (Can be Overridden by anything in the list above)

So to be clear, even if you have a visibility graphic override for walls category, phasing will override this with the phasing 'graphic overrides' if 'Overridden' is part of the filter. 

Could you explain what you mean by "what if I have different walls with different categories". What are you referring to when you say "categories"? 

[Anonymous]

@ToanDN

Thanks for your reply!

Basically in my office they represent differently existing walls in existing plans and existing walls in proposed plans.

I understood to override their cut pattern by filter I will need to research a little to do it by element (I presume you meant by category for this last one?)

Thanks

[Anonymous]

@Anonymous

Very grateful by your explanation.

I mean existing walls in existing plans need one hatch colour (I presume I can obtain this by override in phase filters)

but existing walls in proposed plans need another hatch colour

Thanks

[ToanDN]

Not category. Because that would override every wall, including the new
ones.