Survey points and basepoints from linked models suddenly appered on revit 2020.1

[Anonymous]

I've been working with my central model for about 3 months now on revit 2020, I upgraded to Revit 2020.1 and suddenly all my revit links have survey points and base points showing up. I can turn them off in my template but I have many  templates and many revit links. they don't print but they make positioning my views on sheets very difficult. does anybody  have a quickfix for this ? btw I have annotation crop on.

[SteveKStafford]

With every wish granted comes unintended consequences... need to use View Templates to manage it. Their Site sub-categories are suppose to be off by default in all views except "Site". Obviously that not necessarily true in everyone's templates.

[christian.riley · Accepted solution]

@Anonymous - 

This is a new feature of the 2020 release. As was mentioned in @SteveKStafford's post, the best way to remove this would be to apply a view template that turns them off.

The intent is so that we can make sure that in shared coordinate situations everything is aligned. 

Please let me know if we can help in any other way!

[Yien_Chao]

quick fix : in VV, category...site..uncheck the project and survey point. you might also consider to do it in a template 🙂

but if i was you, i would correct all these irregular project en survey points instead.

[christian.riley]

@Anonymous  -

Please let us know if we resolved your issue or if we can be of any further assistance!

[jfhalaby]

Christian,

It would have been smarter for these subcategories to have been off by default for upgraded projects.  While I agree it is easy enough to fix with view templates on smaller projects, on a project with over 2000 sheets and more than 50 unique view templates, the task is not trivial.

Autodesk could help by providing a macro that iterates through the project's view templates and turns off those subcategories for any link whose V/G settings are "custom".

EDIT: Actually, after a little searching, it appears the view settings for linked models are not exposed in the API, so a macro would not even be possible.

Thanks,

Jason

[Anonymous]

Jason, 

You are so right. I have over 100 sheets ( with more than 1000 to come) over 100 revit links and so may view templates.

What frustrates me the most is that they are not afected by  croping vies and anotation croping. Placing views on sheets is a complete nightmare. If you are creating a new proyect i dont see the big deal. I´ve been working for months on this project and going back to change my templates on all the view templates and links is weeks of work and lost productivity. 

[Anonymous]

Yien, 

Thanks for the imput. this is a residential complex and we have a bout 50 model homes. There are multimple instances of the model with diferent rotation angles and elevations. Having  a shared cordinate sistem is not that usefull on this project because of the rotated instances. 

[SteveKStafford]

According to Autodesk's documentation, the only view those categories are visible in stock templates is "Site". They can't account for projects that are already underway, and firms that have customized their own templates. They aren't going to decide for "you" what views should or shouldn't have them on during an upgrade.

[SteveKStafford]

That's one of the reasons the shared coordinates system exists, repeated designs in many locations. Each link that is copied can store a unique named location when using Publish Coordinates. This way the design model for each unit can choose which location to make current for documentation. As such, we can review and prepare documentation for each location.

Where it fails is that we can't assign a unique location to a single view or views, it's a project wide change. That means all views show the current location. Printing a set for one location and changing to another afterward requires reviewing the documents to make sure the building's orientation and elevation changes have not orphaned annotation in the views or shifted what is visible within cropped boundaries.

[christian.riley]

I definitely understand the need for a tool I would recommend posting this in the Ideas Forum as a future enhancement or as a feature request. 

As I am technical support, I am unable to create or assist in any said tool.

I hope you understand.

[Anonymous]

It appears not to be an issue, if you already have View Templates with Site>Project Basepoint & Survey Point subcategories already set to hidden (unchecked).
I tried recreating this with one of our v2018 View Templates & the subcategories mentioned above remained hidden.

[tamarynhSL5W6]

Yes, Autodesk you CAN help, by giving us a project-wide setting to turn these off.  They are a pain in the proverbial when you've just realised they are everywhere and you have a 200 drawing tender due the same day.

[mlauck]

I have this same problem, the basepoints turn themselves on in Any Linked Model that I use (but only on BIM360) ....AND.....added to it isthe problem that the category "Site" is absolutely NOT THERE ..... it's just gone!! 

This is a nightmare.

I can't turn it off with or without a View Tempalate becase the category "SITE" simply does not exist.

Heeeellppp!

[ToanDN]

Site and its subcategories are there if you tick all the category filters from the dropdown above the list 

[mlauck]

I assure you that the Site category is simply GONE ..... gone from my own model and gone from ALL linked models.

I've been using Revit daily since '09,  so for sure, the category is 100% gone, no matter what I do. 

It's a huge problem.

[ToanDN]

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@mlauck wrote:

I assure you that the Site category is simply GONE ..... gone from my own model and gone from ALL linked models.

I've been using Revit daily since '09,  so for sure, the category is 100% gone, no matter what I do. 

It's a huge problem.

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I assure you they are not gone.  You need to tick Architecture box in the filter list.

[mlauck]

OMG!!!!   Clearly it makes NO difference how long I've been using Revit. I might as well have started yesterday.

I was almost done in by a radio button.......  You saved me!  THAT WORKED!!!

A Million Mahalo's!!

[tamarynhSL5W6]

I know where and how to turn them off, as I'm sure many people now have had to learn. The problem is that they suddenly appeared in an update and instead of there being a universal "off" switch we have had to go through about 40 view templates and 3 linked models to turn them all off. On several projects. Sometimes 1 hr before needing to issue documents. It's stupid.