Survey point and base point both at 0, 0 but they do not line up with the project origin.

[JedSanford]

Pretty confused here. Somehow this project got misaligned a bit and we are troubleshooting it. There were shared coordinates at one point but I dont know who set them up or how.  I removed shared coordinates and moved the survey point to 0, 0. We want the PL and the basepoint also at 0,0 but when I use relocate project to move the BP to 0, 0 I get this result. Why cant I relocate the base point to line up with the project origin?Thoughts? 

base point is at 0, 0survey point is at 0, 0

[ennujozlagam]

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[ennujozlagam]

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[ToanDN]

Internal Origin has nothing to do with either Survey point coordinates or Project Base point coordinates.  Those two, however, relate to one another.

[barthbradley]

Just zero out the PBP Elevation then. You don't use Relocate Project to do this.  

....is the PBP at the Internal Origin? If so, go to Elevation and drag the clipped Survey Point down to PBP.

[JedSanford]

Lets simplify the question. How do I move my project and my project base point to the internal origin point? survey point I dont care about. but for my project base point, if I move it using relocate project it wont move the IOP. If I move it unclipped, my project doesnt move, only the BP moves. 

[JedSanford]

I mean the x-y not the z axis. They are both zeroed out in x, y, thats my point. Clipped and unclipped is not relevant because they changed the clip in 2020. I liked it a lot better before. But never the less, a 0, 0 on my project base point does not align with the IOP. 

[barthbradley]

The IO doesn't move.  The PBP does. It moves the same way an unclipped PBP moves in earlier releases. The Survey Point - well, you say that's not relevant, so never mind.   So, if you want the PBP at the IO, then move it by dragging it if you like.  Regarding physically moving the Project (e.g. Building Model), why is that necessary?    

[barthbradley]

Was or is your Project georeferenced (e.g. Location defined by Survey Point/GIS Coordinates)?  

When you used the acronym "PL" in above post, you weren't referring to "Property Line", were you?  

[JedSanford]

In previous releases, clipping the project base point and them moving it would move the project. unclipping it and moving it would move the base point only. now that I have the internal origin it appears to move when I move a clipped base point. The question is, if moving the clipped base point (or using relocate project) moves the project, how to move the project and the base point to the internal origin? The reason is, something got dragged around and moved between these projects and we are trying to use the internal origin to line them up again. Also, having the internal origins, base points, and survey points none lining up between our link and our project looks really sloppy and we want to fix it. 

I dont think it was ever  geo referenced but I am doing forensics here. I honestly have no idea. And yes I was reffering to Property Line. 

[barthbradley]

Relocate Project doesn't physically move the Project. It's always been a smoke and mirrors thing. What is really happening is that the Survey Point is moving away.  Regarding the IO - it never moves. Period.  Regarding the Survey Point Origin - that's what your Shared Coordinates are referencing. If you move around the clipped Survey Point, you move the Survey Point Origin - along with any Shared Sites/Links.  Not good.  Regarding physically moving the Project - as in the Building Model - you do so at your own risk.  Unless there is a terribly good reason to do so, I wouldn't advise it.  Sounds to me like there is not a terribly good reason.  

This is what you are seeing; right?  

If so, this has everything to do with the Survey Point.  

[JedSanford]

So using the relocate project tool does not relocate the project. As in, I cannot use that tool to move the project to the internal origin point. It is in fact not moviing the project, it is moving the survey point? I dont care what anyone says, that is really confusing. You would think relocate project would move the project, but what you are saying is it ACTUALLY moves the survey point. and you are saying the survey point is what is being used to link files. so if I set my survey point to a property line corner for each file, they should line up? 

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

Moving PBP, clipped or not, does not move your project to the Internal Origin.  You will have to physically move all model elements themselves.  You could also link your project to a new file, move the entire link closer to the IO, then bind the link.  Either way, is not a great idea especially if your project is further developed.  Unless you experience serious graphic glitches or errors due to the model being too far from the IO, just leave it alone.

[barthbradley]

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@JedSanford wrote:

so if I set my survey point to a property line corner for each file, they should line up? 

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So you did mean PL as in "Property Line"!  I wouldn't bank on anything lining up at this point. I have no idea what you've done trying to rectify the misalignment.  You did say that you "removed shared coordinates and moved the survey point to 0, 0".  Sound like you are back to square one.  

[JedSanford]

Ok this is the answer I needed. So now I know what happened. My people claim when they started the site file they copied the model and started with that, but somehow they started modeling off by a few inches, which is fine. 

This is frustrating because it was something I felt I had a really good understanding of until they added a graphical appearance for  the internal origin and added that as an option for coordinates reporting as well. 

Thank you.

[JedSanford]

I havent moved the PL if thats what you are wondering lol. This isnt the first time Ive done this, it was something that was really easy back in 2019 but got a lot weirder when they reworked it. What i was always taught was that the PBP referenced the internal origin point, but apparantly that was not the case. I could link you to 5 videos right now that say exactly that. To find the internal origin point, set your PBP to 0 0 0. but you are both telling me that isnt how it works, and i can see it is not how it works. 

[barthbradley]

I think what you are referring to is Move to Startup Location. Now it's called Move to Internal Origin.  But that doesn't apply here.  Nor does that "Solution" you marked.  But whatever.  

[mfortuneP5258]

Unless I am misunderstanding what I skimmed through if you go into the Manage Tab > Project Location > Coordinates and select the drop down arrow choose Reset Shared Coordinates it will revert the survey point back to 0,0 and match the origin you then can manual move the Project Base point back to 0,0 or set the N/S, E/W, & Elev to 0 for each and it will jump to the origin. 

[Alfredo_Medina]

Yes. But if you choose to use Shared Coordinates as your positioning method, the position of those points between host and link model is irrelevant, they don't have to coincide. Otherwise, if all the points were coinciding to begin with, then you could use Origin to Origin method instead of Shared Coordinates.