Room tag that calculates net room area minus casework.

[Sahay_R]

Is there any other way to create a room tag that calculates room areas minus the area of built in casework without using room separation lines? That's one step that the team would like to omit.

I can create a Net Area label for Room Tags that will calculate Area minus Casework once I have input the area into its parameters. But that would mean calculating the area of casework - something else for team members to balk about.

Can some kind of intelligence be added to Casework so that it is automatically removed from the room area or at the very least it calculates its own area? 

[RichConyers]

As a +1 to this comment, it could be useful to attach a form to the LxWxH references similar to how MEP uses boxes for clearances within a family. That box could be used for automatic area calculations and possibly even read as room divisible (like walls). Good luck with this!

[Anonymous]

I draw casework with a wall type. They get excluded from the room.

Matthew

[ToanDN]

Create model in-place walls and insert casework in them.

[barthbradley]

Not bad @ToanDN.

I didn't get it right off the bat, because I missed the "Wall" category for the in-place, but it works like a charm. I guess as far as scheduling casework goes, you would need to start from a "Multi-Category", or else it won't pick up the cabinets in the in-place walls.   

Nice job! 

[ToanDN]

Make casework families "shared" and they will be picked up by Casework schedule.

[Sahay_R]

Then how do we schedule / tag casework?

[ToanDN]

@Sahay_R

See above.

[barthbradley]

@Sahay_R: Make 'em Shared, like Toan said. 

Give the man a cigar too! 

[Sahay_R]

Multicategory schedule - picks up the Wall/Casework, not regular Casework

Sharing the Casework families in the In Placed Wall undoes the area reduction

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

Well... well... well...

 

[Sahay_R]

Ha! Your families aren't shared either!!!

[ToanDN]

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@rsahayUZMK9 wrote:

Ha! Your families aren't shared either!!!

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The host family is not shared to allow Room detection.  The nested family is shared for tagging and scheduling.

[barthbradley]

so who won? In all fairness, @Sahay_R, you never mentioned "Scheduling" in your original post. So, I think @ToanDN still deserves a cigar for this one. 

Cheers!

[Sahay_R]

@barthbradley The scheduling came up in the course of the conversation LOL. On a more serious note, I have not seen a Casework Schedule for as long as I've been here, so I will need to make sure on that. My major reason for this question was to find an easier and quicker way for team members to make occupancy calculations in Life Safety plans.

Unfortunately for @ToanDN I don't smoke, so I won't offer him a cigar. I do, however, have a doughnut. Chocolate even. I may even be induced to share. On second thoughts - no.....

[Sahay_R]

OK - to add to my general misery the designers now say that the brilliant solution of having Casework that thinks they're walls (as @ToanDN suggested) to give net area for Life Safety plans is not good enough - they would also like to have the ability to calculate and record gross area of the rooms without possibly having to insert casework twice. 

So here is the direction that I am taking. Feel free to point and laugh if it's the wrong direction. 

I have added a Casework Area parameter to the Casework family. It is shared even. I now want my Occupancy tag to calculate occupancy with net area as such - 

 (Area-(Number of casework*Casework Area))/OccupantLoadFactor

When I try to enter the formula (since it is a mix of Area and Number) Revit gives me its line about Inconsistent Units. 

I am stuck. Any way out of this?

[ToanDN]

@Sahay_R

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I now want my Occupancy tag to calculate occupancy with net area as such - 

 (Area-(Number of casework*Casework Area))/OccupantLoadFactor

When I try to enter the formula (since it is a mix of Area and Number) Revit gives me its line about Inconsistent Units. 

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What is the type of the Occupancy parameter?

Are you entering the "Number of casework" and "Casework Area" manually for each Room?

Below is an example with using Room separation to split the Room to NSF + CW Area.  They can be reported in a NSF schedule by filtering out the CW Area, or in a GSF schedule by grouping NSF and CW Area together as a single row.  But you will have problems if you need to show GSF in the Room Tags, though.

[Sahay_R]

I think that the Number of Casework will need to be entered manually. It would be great if it would pick up the Casework Area inf from the family.

[Sahay_R]

.....also, our public is averse to the additional effort involved in pacing room separation lines LOL!!!

[ToanDN]

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@rsahayUZMK9 wrote:

.....also, our public is averse to the additional effort involved in pacing room separation lines LOL!!!

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Execute Order 66 (if you know what I mean).